Delaware North, whose unmitigated gall apparently knows no bounds, is even claiming title to the very name “Yosemite National Park.”
http://www.sanluisobispo.com/news/local/news-columns-blogs/joetopia/article55100965.html
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This has got to be the most tone deaf thing I've seen a major company do in a long, long time. It's going to cost them more than the $51 million they were hoping to get from Aramark.
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This has got to be the most tone deaf thing I've seen a major company do in a long, long time. It's going to cost them more than the $51 million they were hoping to get from Aramark.
They don't care. DNC already has a bad reputation, but they don't care. They still make millions, billions?, in profit. THAT is all they care about.
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Ah.... just got an idea..... The Yosemite Conservancy might be a solution to end this problem. After the current mess makes it through the courts the YC should jump in and copyright/trademark/whatever the names. Then charge the NPS $100 a year for the rights to use them. Sounds good to me.
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Aramark spokesman David Freireich said the company is committed to a smooth transition, whatever takes place.
“I think it’s important for the local community and visitors to realize that as the properties are being renamed, new and returning visitors can still count on us to deliver the great experiences and memories they expect and deserve,” Freireich said.
Aramark also has a position on the trademarking battle, he added.
“As far as the names themselves in the dispute, as a company, we firmly believe the names and trademarks in all national parks, not just Yosemite, belong to the park service and the American public,” Freireich said.
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The more I hear about Aramark, the more I like them. I just hope they live up to what they say.
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The more I hear about Aramark, the more I like them. I just hope they live up to what they say.
Frankly none of the big concessions companies have very good reputations. Aramark is often ridiculed for the quality of their ballpark concessions. Xanterra is owned by Phillip Anschutz. Don't know enough about Forever Resorts though.
You'll always have the same issues with seasonal workers who often don't care. Even then, I'd say the most pleasant worker I've ever met at a national park was a retired guy who did seasonal work as a server at the Canyon Soda Fountain at Yellowstone. Strangely enough it was managed by Delaware North.
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The more I hear about Aramark, the more I like them. I just hope they live up to what they say.
Frankly none of the big concessions companies have very good reputations. Aramark is often ridiculed for the quality of their ballpark concessions. Xanterra is owned by Phillip Anschutz. Don't know enough about Forever Resorts though.
You'll always have the same issues with seasonal workers who often don't care. Even then, I'd say the most pleasant worker I've ever met at a national park was a retired guy who did seasonal work as a server at the Canyon Soda Fountain at Yellowstone. Strangely enough it was managed by Delaware North.
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The more I hear about Aramark, the more I like them. I just hope they live up to what they say.
Frankly none of the big concessions companies have very good reputations. Aramark is often ridiculed for the quality of their ballpark concessions. Xanterra is owned by Phillip Anschutz. Don't know enough about Forever Resorts though.
You'll always have the same issues with seasonal workers who often don't care. Even then, I'd say the most pleasant worker I've ever met at a national park was a retired guy who did seasonal work as a server at the Canyon Soda Fountain at Yellowstone. Strangely enough it was managed by Delaware North.
I have always had great experiences with parks that use Xanterra. My son once plugged up a toilet in our cabin at Zion Lodge at 5:30 am and they had a maintenance person come in 10 minutes to unplug it so we could use it. I really wished that Xanterra had won the Yosemite contract because I have never had a bad experience with them. I have had quite a few with DNC. With Forever Resorts, I have stayed at the cabins at Bryce Canyon and the North Rim of the Grand Canyon with no complaints other than food at Bryce Lodge could have used some work.
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I have been outspoken about Delaware North's ransom in this whole thing...they are shameless and should be boycotted wherever they do business.
But that last story also struck a chord. My wife is a professional chef...and it can't be easy to attract competent service staff at some of these destinations. It's not exactly a career move...and when the kitchen is understaffed, and there's nobody you can call on short notice...it must be really hard to work in one of these restaurants or cafes.
One of the worst restaurant experiences we've had in the last ten years was at Grant's Grove...clearly nobody was managing the place, the servers were innocent and in experienced at best, and the food was dreadful. On the other hand, staffing something like that must be really a mess.
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The more I hear about Aramark, the more I like them. I just hope they live up to what they say.
Frankly none of the big concessions companies have very good reputations. Aramark is often ridiculed for the quality of their ballpark concessions. Xanterra is owned by Phillip Anschutz. Don't know enough about Forever Resorts though.
You'll always have the same issues with seasonal workers who often don't care. Even then, I'd say the most pleasant worker I've ever met at a national park was a retired guy who did seasonal work as a server at the Canyon Soda Fountain at Yellowstone. Strangely enough it was managed by Delaware North.
I have always had great experiences with parks that use Xanterra. My son once plugged up a toilet in our cabin at Zion Lodge at 5:30 am and they had a maintenance person come in 10 minutes to unplug it so we could use it. I really wished that Xanterra had won the Yosemite contract because I have never had a bad experience with them. I have had quite a few with DNC. With Forever Resorts, I have stayed at the cabins at Bryce Canyon and the North Rim of the Grand Canyon with no complaints other than food at Bryce Lodge could have used some work.
Funny you mention Bryce Canyon Lodge. On our first day at Bryce we got there at the lodge in time for a late lunch, although we were staying at Ruby's that night. They had only one server and as the orders came down and the other customers were complaining about their orders taking too long or not getting beverages, the server just stomped into the kitchen and completely melted down. Everyone in the dining room could just hear her screaming and then we didn't see her again. We asked a busboy what the deal was, and he said they didn't have enough staff on hand for that number of customers. Later on it looked like a manager took over the serving duties. This was back in 2006 when Xanterra was still the concessionaire at Bryce Canyon.
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The more I hear about Aramark, the more I like them. I just hope they live up to what they say.
Frankly none of the big concessions companies have very good reputations. Aramark is often ridiculed for the quality of their ballpark concessions. Xanterra is owned by Phillip Anschutz. Don't know enough about Forever Resorts though.
You'll always have the same issues with seasonal workers who often don't care. Even then, I'd say the most pleasant worker I've ever met at a national park was a retired guy who did seasonal work as a server at the Canyon Soda Fountain at Yellowstone. Strangely enough it was managed by Delaware North.
I have always had great experiences with parks that use Xanterra. My son once plugged up a toilet in our cabin at Zion Lodge at 5:30 am and they had a maintenance person come in 10 minutes to unplug it so we could use it. I really wished that Xanterra had won the Yosemite contract because I have never had a bad experience with them. I have had quite a few with DNC. With Forever Resorts, I have stayed at the cabins at Bryce Canyon and the North Rim of the Grand Canyon with no complaints other than food at Bryce Lodge could have used some work.
Funny you mention Bryce Canyon Lodge. On our first day at Bryce we got there at the lodge in time for a late lunch, although we were staying at Ruby's that night. They had only one server and as the orders came down and the other customers were complaining about their orders taking too long or not getting beverages, the server just stomped into the kitchen and completely melted down. Everyone in the dining room could just hear her screaming and then we didn't see her again. We asked a busboy what the deal was, and he said they didn't have enough staff on hand for that number of customers. Later on it looked like a manager took over the serving duties. This was back in 2006 when Xanterra was still the concessionaire at Bryce Canyon.
Off the top of my head I can't remember what year it was that we stayed there, I would have to look at my travel diaries. Usually when we go to Bryce it is a day trip while we are staying in Zion. I have to say that Ruby's food has gotten really bad. Since we usually go to Bryce during Thanksgiving the restaurant and lodging is closed so we have eaten at Ruby's. The last time we were there was three years ago and it was horrible.
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I've only been to Bryce once (about 3 or 4 years ago). We stayed at Bryce Canyon Pines (about a 10 minute drive outside the park). We ate at the Lodge one night (pretty good but not good enough to justify the price as I recall), Ruby's one night (my wife's chicken was absolutely inedible...her hiking boots were probably more tender...to their credit, the waitress was VERY nice about trying to find a way to keep us happy (basically offered us a choice of anything on the menu or buffet for no extra cost). The real winner, though was the restaurant at the Pines. It may not have been an elegant dining experience but everything we had (as I recall, we had a dinner, a lunch and two breakfasts there) was very tasty and really inexpensive. Super nice people as well. Definitely worth a try if you're in the area.
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I want to know what fool at the US Trademark and Patent office granted the trademarks in the first place? It's ironic that a government entity granted them the names, now the government is upset about it.
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