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If the officer shot the dogwalker, would that have been appropriate?
The officer did not taser a dog walker. She tasered someone trying to flee and someone that gave false information.
The whole sequence cannot be parsed that way. Otherwise if you are going to make that argument, you are suggesting that "false" information and terminating a conversation with a police officer solely is sufficient provocation to be shocked. I can postulate lots of situations where there could have been false information and someone who decided to leave the scene of conversation with a ranger--- someone with language problems, intoxication, hearing or psychiatric problems, urgent bowel or urinary needs, etc... LEO are not omniscient and personally, if I decided that an order of a LEO endangered me or others, I would not hesitate to disobey it. Furthermore, in this case, the initial issue and subsequent actions were not violent crimes or even felonies. Therefore, it is not surprising that many people consider the TASER use to be unwarranted in this scenario.
There are many situations where the actions of police are seen as disproportionate and, while intended to be conscientious law enforcement, are not seen by society as appropriate--- high speed vehicle chases that endanger innocents, multiple officer restraint events where the subject is suffocated, etc. As mentioned in another post in this thread, there is no carte blanche for police action and use of a TASER is a very serious action that must be used appropriately. Here is a suggested TASER policy from the Internet that treats TASER use very seriously:
http://www.mtas.tennessee.edu/Knowledgebase.nsf/0/B1771739182D96E085256D550047F938Perhaps instead of calling for medical assistance AFTER the TASER, she should have called for backup BEFORE the TASER use.
Here is the NPS Press Release, which suggests to me that the event was not considered routine and will be investigated further. It seem unlikely that NPS educating the public commonly leads to TASER use (although it is likely that a lot fewer dogs will be off lease in the near future). Finally, I don't know what "educational contact" means-- it sounds like the Ranger had decided to cite the individual, not merely inform or converse. What role does a "stop and identify" interaction have to do with "educating"? Does the NPS check ID on everyone they are "educating"?
http://www.nps.gov/goga/parknews/law-enforcement-incident-in-rancho-corral-de-tierra.htmGolden Gate National Recreation Area shares the general public's concern over the unfortunate incident between a National Park Service law enforcement ranger and a man walking his dog off leash at Rancho Corral de Tierra, in San Mateo County, on Sunday, January 29, 2012.As is standard practice, the park has initiated a review of the incident, which will be concluded in the next two weeks.At that time, another statement will be released.
According to the information available to the park at this point, the incident began as a routine educational contact about the National Park Service rules on dog walking.The incident developed into a more serious law enforcement situation when the person being contacted provided false information to the ranger, and refused to heed repeated orders to remain at the scene while the ranger was in contact with the park dispatch center to confirm his identity.
In December 2011, Rancho Corral de Tierra came under the management of the National Park Service. Golden Gate National Recreation Area will continue to work hard to build close partnerships with the existing users of, and the communities that surround, Rancho Corral de Tierra.
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