Is Rock Stacking Graffiti? December 22, 2012 03:25PM | Admin Registered: 15 years ago Posts: 17,109 |
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Dave
It's graffiti. I knock them down whenever I see them inside the Park. There is a huge one on Tioga Road that's going to take several more trips.
Re: Is Rock Stacking Graffiti? December 22, 2012 08:00PM | Moderator Registered: 14 years ago Posts: 1,634 |
If the pile is an obvious trail marker, no, but those are rarely needed.Quote
JamesMac
Do you knock them down even in back country. I always assumed it was kind of a friendly thing to keep others from getting lost. I don't agree with people doing it just to do it. If you need to stack rocks in Yosemite just for the sake of stacking rocks you should probably find a new hobby.
Re: Is Rock Stacking Graffiti? December 25, 2012 04:59PM | Registered: 15 years ago Posts: 923 |
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Dave
It's graffiti. I knock them down whenever I see them inside the Park. There is a huge one on Tioga Road that's going to take several more trips.
Do you knock them down even in back country. I always assumed it was kind of a friendly thing to keep others from getting lost. I don't agree with people doing it just to do it. If you need to stack rocks in Yosemite just for the sake of stacking rocks you should probably find a new hobby.
Re: Is Rock Stacking Graffiti? December 23, 2012 12:08AM | Registered: 15 years ago Posts: 4,173 |
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Dave
It's graffiti. I knock them down whenever I see them inside the Park. There is a huge one on Tioga Road that's going to take several more trips.
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qumqats
There's a BIG difference between functionally useful trail markers and socially motivated rock art.
It's usually going to be pretty easy to determine which is which.
I'm firmly on the knock down side, but it would be interesting and make this thread more balanced to hear why someone thinks the stacks SHOULDN'T be knocked down.
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Dave
City park, fine. I don't care.
National Park, not OK. I'll knock down any I find. How can someone be so arrogant that they actually believe they can improve on what nature provided?
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Re: Is Rock Stacking Graffiti? January 01, 2013 12:54PM | Registered: 14 years ago Posts: 931 |
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plawrence
It goes completely against the "Leave no trace" ethos.
When in the wilderness, the goal of everyone should be to leave no trace of their presence. That way the next person can enjoy the same pristine wilderness experience.
This "rock art" spoils that. It's about egotistical people making their presence known to others that they had been there.
Wilderness should be left as wilderness. It's the same reason many people don't like the presence of fire rings in the wilderness. At least fire rings – in theory – have some useful purpose. This "rock art" on the other hand, serves no useful purpose at all.
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Re: Is Rock Stacking Graffiti? December 29, 2012 08:36AM | Moderator Registered: 14 years ago Posts: 1,634 |
They do believe they can improve on nature. There is a difference between a city park and a national park. One is to be disturbed as little as possible. Rock piles are graffiti, a disturbance, a nuisance that detracts from the natural enviornment.Quote
chicagocwright
I'm not trying to argue against your point. I just don't understand it. I'm not sure the builders think they are improving anything. But personally I don't think it detracts from the view. When I am at Olmsted Point and framing a picture I can easily set one up with a nice cairn in the shot---or just as easily avoid the cairn.
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Dave
Take only pictures.
Leave only footprints.
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qumqats
There's a BIG difference between functionally useful trail markers and socially motivated rock art.
It's usually going to be pretty easy to determine which is which.
I'm firmly on the knock down side, but it would be interesting and make this thread more balanced to hear why someone thinks the stacks SHOULDN'T be knocked down.
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AnotherDave
The current edition of OUTSIDE magazine contains a list of things that it considers to be "perfect", and there it is at # 14: Cairns. Says OUTSIDE: "So
much more pleasing to the eye than blazes, signs, or any other kind of trail marker".
Just the messenger....
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