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wbmyosemite
And your view ISN'T political, Eeek? Yeah, right.
30 years ago the same "so-called" experts were predicting the coming Ice Age. You can look that up. It was a major topic in the 70s in almost every publication of the decade. Now thirty years later with more books needing to be sold, these experts have flipped 180 degrees. In 50 years people will be laughing at the idea of man-made global warming.
Is the earth warming? Well, it depends on what period you are talking about. Some studies show the globe has actually cooled over the past decade. Some cities have experienced record low temperatures over the past decade. Earlier snow. More snow. Of course, to all the true Al Gore followers, EVERYTHING is caused by global warming. Record high temperatures are caused by global warming. Record low temperatures are caused by global warming. Hurricanes every day? Global warming. No hurricanes? Global warming. How can you lose when no matter what happens, it's all global warming? I suppose if the earth cools by 3 degrees, that would be global warming too.
By the way, what happened to all those hurricanes that were predicted because of warming oceans? On average, we've had fewer hurricanes in the past decade than before all this global warming nonsense started.
At one time glaciers covered most of the midwest as far south as Memphis. Long before man came along the glaciers were gone. Man didn't cause that. The earth warms. The earth cools. I just don't need to pay Al Gore millions of dollars because climate changes. It always has changed. It always will change. By the time this is proved to be a hoax, Al Gore will have passed his millions down to his descendants and they will all be living in luxury. In the meantime, we'll all be paying carbon tax, losing millions of jobs to China and India, and becoming a third world country.
I hate to tell you Eeek, but it's ALL political. I guess like Al Gore, you want to say "the debate is over." Just like it was in the 70s when we were all going to be living in an Ice Age by today. How'd that work out?
I guess this forum is only for the true believers. Sorry to see that happening. Anyone that doesn't toe to your political view is simply un-educated, I presume. I hope you live a very long life where you may be able to admit that the earth's climate changes regardless of what we do.
One more thing. Just because I don't swallow Al Gore's junk science doesn't mean I don't love the planet just as much as you do. I want clean air, clean water, and lots of wide open spaces. There are a lot of things we can do (and have done) to protect the earth. We should do more. That doesn't mean I have to be a true believer in the global warming science.
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For those who may be interested, a quick websearch for the words “scientific method” yielded, among others, the following two links:
http://www.wordiq.com/definition/Scientific_method
http://physics.ucr.edu/~wudka/Physics7/Notes_www/node3.html
Besides the traditional exposition of the scientific method, these two discussions are of especial interest for the following reasons. The first addresses a topic which is rarely mentioned explicitly but is of fundamental importance in the method's functioning, namely the peer review of articles which appear in reputable scientific journals. (Unlike the mindless statements of opinion which nowadays masquerade as news on media babble shows, publication in a scientific journal requires that the article undergo a review/audit by several other members of the scientific community who are working in the same field.) The second touches upon the topic of fraud. (See comment above re. media babble shows and replace the words “mindless statements of opinion” with “deliberate distortions and misrepresentations.”)
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No true scientist would allow personal bias to enter the data collection or the experimental process. The interpretation of the data or "findings" may differ just as different groups may differ on the cause or long term implications of global warming, but the measurements of or indicators of temperature change should be verifiable and the methodology understandable and impartial.Quote
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My concerns are with the way the research is carried out. Who studies climate change. Is it a group of oil drillers? No it is Climatologists, what is their personal viewpoint? Most of them I would guess got involved in the subject because they are interested and perhaps concerned about ecology and the earth's climate. When you study the distant past you are often left with lots of gaps in the data. How do you fill in those gaps to complete the experiment? Most people tend to fill those gaps with your own personal point of view. If you are a strong ecologist and think factories and cars and freeways and human impact is bad, you might tend to lean toward man made causes.
Then I worry about research grant bias. If you did the early studies and come to the conclusion "there is no problem" your study and your grant income come to an end. On the other hand if you find there is a major problem that needs years more of study you now have a lifetime of grant income to study the problem. The system encourages an outcome.
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No true scientist would allow personal bias to enter the data collection or the experimental process. The interpretation of the data or "findings" may differ just as different groups may differ on the cause or long term implications of global warming, but the measurements of or indicators of temperature change should be verifiable and the methodology understandable and impartial.
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