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avatar Extra Half Dome Permits?
May 18, 2011 12:49PM
Here's what you can do with them:

"If you have a permit that you won't use, please cancel it so others may use it. " --NPS
avatar Re: Extra Half Dome Permits?
May 18, 2011 02:38PM
Sales are illegal: "Resale of this permit is a violation of Title 36, Code of Federal Regulations, section 1.6."
avatar Re: Extra Half Dome Permits?
May 18, 2011 03:26PM
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eeek
Sales are illegal: "Resale of this permit is a violation of Title 36, Code of Federal Regulations, section 1.6."

I would draw a fine line. Sales aren't specifically mentioned, but the NPS (via the park superintendent) does have the authority to set up restrictions and enforce them by revoking the permit.

http://edocket.access.gpo.gov/cfr_2010/julqtr/36cfr1.6.htm

[Code of Federal Regulations]
[Title 36, Volume 1]
[Revised as of July 1, 2010]
From the U.S. Government Printing Office via GPO Access
[CITE: 36CFR1.6]

[Page 10-11]

TITLE 36--PARKS, FORESTS, AND PUBLIC PROPERTY

CHAPTER I--NATIONAL PARK SERVICE, DEPARTMENT OF THE INTERIOR

PART 1_GENERAL PROVISIONS--Table of Contents

Sec. 1.6 Permits.

(a) When authorized by regulations set forth in this chapter, the
superintendent may issue a permit to authorize an otherwise prohibited
or restricted activity or impose a public use limit. The activity
authorized by a permit shall be consistent with applicable legislation,
Federal regulations and administrative policies, and based upon a
determination that public health and safety, environmental or scenic
values, natural or cultural resources, scientific research,
implementation of management responsibilities, proper allocation and use
of facilities, or the avoidance of conflict among visitor use activities
will not be adversely impacted.
(b) Except as otherwise provided, application for a permit shall be
submitted to the superintendent during normal business hours.
(c) The public will be informed of the existence of a permit
requirement in accordance with Sec. 1.7 of this chapter.
(d) Unless otherwise provided for by the regulations in this
chapter, the superintendent shall deny a permit that has been properly
applied for only upon a determination that the designated capacity for
an area or facility would be exceeded; or that one or more of the
factors set forth in paragraph (a) of this section would be adversely
impacted. The basis for denial shall be provided to the applicant upon
request.
(e) The superintendent shall include in a permit the terms and
conditions that the superintendent deems necessary to protect park
resources or public safety and may also include terms or conditions
established pursuant to the authority of any other section of this
chapter.
(f) A compilation of those activities requiring a permit shall be
maintained by the superintendent and available to the public upon
request.
(g) The following are prohibited:
(1) Engaging in an activity subject to a permit requirement imposed
pursuant to this section without obtaining a permit; or
(2) Violating a term or condition of a permit issued pursuant to
this section.
(h) Violating a term or condition of a permit issued pursuant to
this section may also result in the suspension or revocation of the
permit by the superintendent.

[48 FR 30275, June 30, 1983, as amended at 51 FR 29470, Aug. 18, 1986]
avatar Re: Extra Half Dome Permits?
May 18, 2011 03:44PM
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y_p_w
(2) Violating a term or condition of a permit issued pursuant to
this section.

That makes it illegal since the prohibition of resale is a condition.
avatar Re: Extra Half Dome Permits?
May 18, 2011 05:22PM
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eeek
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y_p_w
(2) Violating a term or condition of a permit issued pursuant to
this section.

That makes it illegal since the prohibition of resale is a condition.

My reading is that the "fine line" is the distinction between an administrative regulation and a law. Certainly a prohibition though.
avatar Re: Extra Half Dome Permits?
May 18, 2011 06:22PM
Say, what if someone offers to gift one to someone else, online even? Is gifting OK, or is it a prohibition on transfer period. I ask because I've been flagging CL ads whenever I think of it and have a moment.
avatar Re: Extra Half Dome Permits?
May 18, 2011 06:49PM
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Treeswing
Say, what if someone offers to gift one to someone else, online even? Is gifting OK, or is it a prohibition on transfer period.

Gifting and swapping appear to be okay.

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I ask because I've been flagging CL ads whenever I think of it and have a moment.

How many of those "swaps" were actually sales come ons?
avatar Re: Extra Half Dome Permits?
May 18, 2011 07:27PM
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eeek
How many of those "swaps" were actually sales come ons?

Some seem legit, others are obviously fishing for $ - I generally flag everything no matter what as a general discouragement. I'm mostly curious about details and also a fan of gifting, so I thought it worthy to ask what y'all thought.
avatar Re: Extra Half Dome Permits?
May 18, 2011 07:33PM
craiglist isn't the forum for gifting among yosemite fans. The only reason people write garbage like that in their ads is so people don't flag them as harshly.
Re: Extra Half Dome Permits?
May 18, 2011 10:51PM
Totally agree. It's a ploy. The game is to make your post look like a trade. Then when you get a response you request compensation. If the other party complains, you just say now you don't want to really turn down the offer for those permits or campsites, do you? Bait and switch basically. I don't fall for these ploys. I just flag every ad.
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