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Will there be Labor Day Falls in Yosemite 2011?
July 27, 2011 10:00AM
Based on the variables going on right now at various drainage points in the high country what is the general opinion of all on what the falls may be like on Labor Day 2011? Some of you folks in here are avid hikers that may have wittnesed the variables as of late up close so you may have the better knowledge to estimate what will be flowing and what won't. All of us Labor Day visitors await your responses.
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July 30, 2011 02:22PM
They should be better than usual. But I wouldn't want to say anything more than that.
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July 30, 2011 04:12PM
Wow. You going out on a limb there...



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July 30, 2011 04:13PM
Maybe perhaps, I dunno, maybe not... they might be ok.



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July 30, 2011 04:15PM
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Maybe perhaps, I dunno, maybe not... they might be ok.

You were saying something about limbs (wings?)?
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July 30, 2011 04:19PM
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chick-on
Maybe perhaps, I dunno, maybe not... they might be ok.

You were saying something about limbs (wings?)?

You said you didn't want to say anything else... I take it you are recovering from your death march... ???



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July 30, 2011 04:31PM
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chick-on
I take it you are recovering from your death march... ???

I'm working on it.
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July 30, 2011 11:10PM
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chick-on
Maybe perhaps, I dunno, maybe not... they might be ok.

You were saying something about limbs (wings?)?


Make that fried wings.
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July 30, 2011 04:14PM
OK, my real prediction:

Vernal and Nevada will still be very very very nice.

Yosemite will still have water flowing ok. (there's still a decent amount of snow W of Hoffman)



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July 30, 2011 04:40PM
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chick-on
OK, my real prediction:

Vernal and Nevada will still be very very very nice.

Yosemite will still have water flowing ok. (there's still a decent amount of snow W of Hoffman)

When was the last time the Merced River was dry?
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July 30, 2011 04:59PM
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When was the last time the Merced River was dry?
Technically Merced Lake and Washburn Lake comprise part of Merced River....
so...
Over 1500 years ago when it was covered by Tioga Glacier perhaps...



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July 30, 2011 06:59PM
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When was the last time the Merced River was dry?
Technically Merced Lake and Washburn Lake comprise part of Merced River....
so...
Over 1500 years ago when it was covered by Tioga Glacier perhaps...

Isn't a glacier just a river of ice?

I also wouldn't consider a glacier to be "dry". smileys with beer
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July 30, 2011 07:02PM
Well... I was gonna say way over a million years... but the glaciers ebbed and flowed...
so someone like plawrence would then bustfry my balls on that statement
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July 30, 2011 06:17PM
I've day hiked Yosemite since I was a teen in the early 80's. I have NEVER seen the falls dry at Labor Day, never anything close, even in drought years.

Having said that, the falls will be much less dramatic in viewing in September than in May. But that's like saying Liz Taylor looked better at 20 than at 40. That's true, but she still looked damn good at 40.
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July 30, 2011 06:28PM
Really...

Sept. 7, 2002:


Also was atop in mid-Aug of 2005... by Sept. it woulda looked about the same.... purty darn dry



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July 30, 2011 06:41PM
He might have been referring to Vernal and Bridalveil Falls, and not Yosemite Falls.

I for one have seen Yosemite Falls bone dry, even in late August. One massive wall — not one drop of water in sight.
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July 30, 2011 07:03PM
The creek will have water in it year round... so obviously you are wrong.
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July 30, 2011 07:13PM
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chick-on
The creek will have water in it year round... so obviously you are wrong.
wink

Does it matter if the creek has water in it, if it's below the falls, or even above the falls, if there's no water actually going OVER the falls?

I never thought of taking a photo of it before, but remind me when the next dry year rolls around and I'll hike up and take a photo of Yosemite Falls at its brink when there's not a drop of water going over it. wink

(Yosemite Creek does run dry some years.)
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July 30, 2011 08:42PM
You'll find water in it somewhere. Almost guaranteed.
(I was just busting your balls)

Mid October:


Water still present in pools up atop.

I've heard stuff like this before:
"There's no water in Snow Creek"

Complete and utter bollocks. There's fish in Snow Creek.... so it just means you didn't look very good.

Now... it IS possible that Yosemite Creek becomes nearly complete dryed out... but PROBABLY there is some
puddles here and there along the creek...

Anyway, many years... by Labor Day... I contend that if you took someone who had never been to the park
they certainly wouldn't call it a waterfall.



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July 30, 2011 09:09PM
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July 30, 2011 09:15PM
Sorry dude. But THAT mid-October was special. We got a very big dump at the beginning of October
which kick started all the falls. Want to see Vernal then?



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July 30, 2011 09:25PM
Here it is:

October 18, 2009:



(notice not a single person down there)



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July 30, 2011 10:45PM
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chick-on
Here it is:

October 18, 2009:



(notice not a single person down there)

Where's the fence?
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July 31, 2011 07:36AM
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Where's the fence?



or



or ... (different trip later that year in November):





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July 31, 2011 01:43AM
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chick-on
You'll find water in it somewhere. Almost guaranteed.
(I was just busting your balls)

Mid October:


Water still present in pools up atop.

I've heard stuff like this before:
"There's no water in Snow Creek"

Complete and utter bollocks. There's fish in Snow Creek.... so it just means you didn't look very good.

Now... it IS possible that Yosemite Creek becomes nearly complete dryed out... but PROBABLY there is some
puddles here and there along the creek...

Anyway, many years... by Labor Day... I contend that if you took someone who had never been to the park
they certainly wouldn't call it a waterfall.


Chick-on-buzzard, that photo of yours depicts exactly what I see when I visit each September. When I was a kid visiting Yosemite my old grandpappy used to tell me "Yosemite Falls never stop flowing". I really never new what the hell he was talking about until later on when I was a bit older that when one views the side of the granite wall when the falls are dry they can see an image of a flowing Yosemite Falls etched into it seemingly in forever perpetual flow motion. Well, simulation is ok but I hope to see the real deal this time around.
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July 31, 2011 07:48AM
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Chick-on-buzzard, that photo of yours depicts exactly what I see when I visit each September. When I was a kid visiting Yosemite my old grandpappy used to tell me "Yosemite Falls never stop flowing". I really never new what the hell he was talking about until later on when I was a bit older that when one views the side of the granite wall when the falls are dry they can see an image of a flowing Yosemite Falls etched into it seemingly in forever perpetual flow motion. Well, simulation is ok but I hope to see the real deal this time around.
Just for you (same trip, different view):





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July 30, 2011 07:16PM
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He might have been referring to Vernal and Bridalveil Falls, and not Yosemite Falls.

I for one have seen Yosemite Falls bone dry, even in late August. One massive wall — not one drop of water in sight.

There are a few climbing routes up Yosemite Falls that are climbable when dry.

http://www.exo.net/~pauld/climbing/ViaAqua/viaaqua.html
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July 30, 2011 06:51PM
That's viewed from the top. Check out Yosemite Falls from the Four Mile Trail in September. It's not dry from that vantage point. A trickle? Yup, but not dry. And in any case, this is a year with 200% normal waterfall. There isn't a chance in hell they won't see waterfalls on September 5.
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July 30, 2011 06:57PM
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I have NEVER seen the falls dry at Labor Day, never anything close, even in drought years.

If that's not close. Then I don't know what close is.
A bit of water running down the cliff a waterfall it not makes.

As I said before... it'll be OK this year. Past years. No way.

Have a nice day



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July 31, 2011 01:55AM
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That's viewed from the top. Check out Yosemite Falls from the Four Mile Trail in September. It's not dry from that vantage point. A trickle? Yup, but not dry. And in any case, this is a year with 200% normal waterfall. There isn't a chance in hell they won't see waterfalls on September 5.

Now that's the in your face prediction we all want to hear!!! However, you do realize if it does not come true we will all be coming after you with pitchforks?
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July 30, 2011 11:04PM
Criswell predicts:

Ribbon Fall: dry
Bridalveil Fall: thin, but flowing
Yosemite Falls: gossamer spray
Sentinel Falls: dry
Staircase Falls: dry
Lehamite Falls: dry
Royal Arch Cascade: dry
Vernal Fall: moderate
Nevada Fall: moderate
Illiouette Fall: small flow
Merced River: calm but flowing
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July 31, 2011 07:24AM
Amazing



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