Did I imagine it, or can someone confirm that along Northside drive there is a sign that says something like "A child was killed here by a deer." I seem to remember it is near El Cap, but could be elsewhere.
Anyone know the sign?
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The sign is located at N 37 43.476 W 119 38.084. The virtual geocache highlighting this sign is GCHYQ7 and was found recently, so the sign is still there.
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The family was having a picnic at Wawona and did not notice the kid wander off toward the deer. The deer was a spike buck, and was not aggressive - it was grazing while the child approached, and when startled, jerked its head up and caught the child under the shoulder in a major artery, causing damage that combined with the long drive to a hospital, killed the child.
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That's not what the newspapers reported at the time.
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The key point is that the kid was just out of sight, so the family didn't realize he was feeding deer. And don't say that a 5-yo should never be out of sight - at that age I was walking over a mile on my own to get to school, like most other kids did in the 60's.
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I am a bit surprised that there are folks on here that think this type of behavior is OK. Whether you be a parent or not, please do not approach or feed the animals!!!
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A desire for accuracy isn't condoning anything.
And if you think that the parents don't feel properly chastised ALREADY for the child slipping away from them, have another think about that. (You don't sound like a parent - most parents understand that no matter how anal you get or how careful you are, kids do get away from you, and so parents don't need any additional shamey-shame finger pointing. They already hung themselves on a cross many times over for their inattention that led to the accident.)
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I do, when I am in uniform or not. Sensible behavior seems to be something that many visitors leave at the entrance gate. They park in the middle of a busy road. They drive the wrong way. They throw trash out the window, leave dirty diapers on the side of the road. They pass on blind corners. They swim in water near a deadly waterfall. They can't follow a simple map or directions. They think they can pet wild animals. They, the humans, are out of their natural habitat. They're in a new situation where they don't know the rules or the dangers. They're overwhelmed. We can't hire enough rangers to follow everyone around. Adults just have to act like adults, think, and take responsibility for their own actions. They shouldn't need a sign to tell them not to feed the animals... but they do.Quote
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...In the end, these are wild animals and people should know better. Let's stop looking for excuses in the details and call these people out on their behavior.
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To complain about the Park being "disingenuous" with this sign is a bit over the top. They probably made a bunch of them and distributed them about the Park. Since these three are in an area not that well visited (all the visitors stay on the other side of the road looking for climbers) they are probably the last three that have not been stolen.Quote
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...I think the Park Service is being a bit disingenuous with those inaccurate signs.....
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Personally I would read "near here" as applying to anywhere in Yosemite, or the entire Sierras for that matter. The message given, that Mule Deer can be dangerous, is certainly accurate anywhere near Yosemite or near the specific spot where the boy was killed.
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The sign is to get people to not feed the deer, not to mark the spot of a death. It's as accurate as it needs to be.Quote
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I knew someone would try to make this argument to justify the accuracy of the signs. But I doubt that most people who read those sign would interpret them as such. I would guess the vast majority of people who read that sign would think that the fatal accident occurred somewhere in or around El Cap Meadow and not many miles to south..
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I also think it is odd that they only post it at El Cap and Wawona and don't have generic "Don't feed, touch or disturb the wildlife" signs in more places. I have only seen one sign at El Cap and will have to look for the other two. One other question is why they don't have any signs on the south side of the road where more people stand.
Should we put up a sign saying; "CAUTION Tree" so that people will not walk into them? How many signs do we have to put up?Quote
Maybe Yosemite should do what Yellowstone does. The last time we were there they handed out a placard that on one side said " Stay safe. Thermal areas = thin crust, Boiling water lies beneath DANGEROUS GROUND! Stay on the trail' and on the other side "Buffalo can run 3 times faster than you can! MANY VISITORS HAVE BEEN GORED BY BUFFALO. Do Not approach buffalo STAY SAFE! STAY AWAY! There is even a way to hang it from your rear view mirror so you won't forget. However, I did wonder why they called them buffalo when they are bison.
I undestand what you are trying to say, but I don't want a park full of signs. With all the roads, bridges, buildings, etc, we have enough visual intrustion. They're not that effective anyway. I often eat lunch at the Village Grill. There must be a hundred signs telling visitors not to feed the squirrles. I see visitors feed them all the time. Then there is that sign warning of death at the top of Nevada Falls that some people climbed right over - and died. We need smarter visitors, not more signs. That's not likely to happen though. You can't protect people from their own stupidity.Quote
Yosemite could have a wild life warning on one side and on the other warnings about how dangerous going in the water can be.
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Most likely they were stolen.Quote
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I also think it is odd that they only post it at El Cap and Wawona and don't have generic "Don't feed, touch or disturb the wildlife" signs in more places. I have only seen one sign at El Cap and will have to look for the other two. One other question is why they don't have any signs on the south side of the road where more people stand.Should we put up a sign saying; "CAUTION Tree" so that people will not walk into them? How many signs do we have to put up?Quote
Maybe Yosemite should do what Yellowstone does. The last time we were there they handed out a placard that on one side said " Stay safe. Thermal areas = thin crust, Boiling water lies beneath DANGEROUS GROUND! Stay on the trail' and on the other side "Buffalo can run 3 times faster than you can! MANY VISITORS HAVE BEEN GORED BY BUFFALO. Do Not approach buffalo STAY SAFE! STAY AWAY! There is even a way to hang it from your rear view mirror so you won't forget. However, I did wonder why they called them buffalo when they are bison.I undestand what you are trying to say, but I don't want a park full of signs. With all the roads, bridges, buildings, etc, we have enough visual intrustion. They're not that effective anyway. I often eat lunch at the Village Grill. There must be a hundred signs telling visitors not to feed the squirrles. I see visitors feed them all the time. Then there is that sign warning of death at the top of Nevada Falls that some people climbed right over - and died. We need smarter visitors, not more signs. That's not likely to happen though. You can't protect people from their own stupidity.Quote
Yosemite could have a wild life warning on one side and on the other warnings about how dangerous going in the water can be.
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We need smarter visitors
Maybe an entrance exam?
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Apparently, in some cases, the deer are smarter than people. Deer can read. I didn't know that.
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These are very intelligent, and patient, animals. I wonder where the school is they all go to to learn about these signs? I wonder if they talk about those "deer whistles" people put on their cars. Who tells the deer that they need to move when they hear those whistles? That is IF they hear them. Usually they are at a high pitch that we cannot hear - and neither can the deer. They may be smarter than some humans, but they hear the same frequencies we do.Quote
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It goes far beyond that. Not only can they read but will in fact travel up and down the various interstate freeways looking for a sign, sometimes traveling along the shoulder 40 to 50 miles before finding one.
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