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Got locked in again...
Better in than up. How did you get out?
Re: Road Closed to Badger Pass December 30, 2013 09:13AM | Registered: 15 years ago Posts: 622 |
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Hiker Dad
I'm not familiar with this gate location, is this below Badger Pass and close to the Wawona Road.? I was hoping to hike Badger Pass to Dewey Point in the next day or two.
December 28, 2013 05:38PM | Moderator Registered: 14 years ago Posts: 1,634 |
I find it interesting that all the assumptions you make about what's going on in the Park ALWAYS puts the Park or it's workers in the worst light possible. Did the though even occur to you that there might be something else going on? Or do you automatically assume the worst about people you know nothing about?Quote
plawrence
Yes, that gate is at the start of Glacier Point Road just past the initial turn uphill from Wawona Road.
Ironic, that they decided to close the road due to NO SNOW. Yes, it's perfectly understandable that DNC had to shutdown their Nordic skiing operations due to the lack of snow, but to shutdown the road too for those of us who might want to do day hikes from the trailheads along the road wasn't nice. It's a sad commentary that the road stays open to Badger Pass only for convenience of the park's concessionaire, DNC, and not for the convenience of the general park visitor (who might NOT need nor want to partake of the concessionaire's commercial offerings)....
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I find it interesting that all the assumptions you make about what's going on in the Park ALWAYS puts the Park or its workers in the worst light possible. Did the though even occur to you that there might be something else going on? Or do you automatically assume the worst about people you know nothing about?
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So Dave, as the National Park Service #1 apologist on this board......
If you want me to respond, don't start with insults.
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So in your growing collection of Yosemite experiences have you now been locked behind every gate or are there a few more on your list to do?
Re: Road Closed to Badger Pass December 29, 2013 10:00AM | Registered: 11 years ago Posts: 196 |
Re: Road Closed to Badger Pass December 29, 2013 09:45AM | Registered: 11 years ago Posts: 133 |
December 29, 2013 10:44AM | Moderator Registered: 14 years ago Posts: 1,634 |
It's perfectly fine to criticize the Park Service, but at least base it on something they've actually done, or not done. In this case the communications might be lacking, or just hasn't gotten to the people that question the action.Quote
Ken M
I find it somewhat surprising that the road would be closed due to LACK of snow!
This continues my ongoing criticism of the Park Service for lack of communication on this, and other issues. There must be more to it, such as sequester financing requiring cuts in SOMETHING, and they decided to layoff the people that would have to be up this road if it were open, rather than have cuts in services in the Valley later in the fiscal year.
It's not hard to figure out. Many of the law enforcement rangers in the Park are seasonal. Knowing that fact leads one righ to the answer, or at least what I assume is the answer; lack of LE to partrol the road.Quote
But with no explanation, who knows?
Like I said, the explanation might be out there but just hasn't been propagated to those asking questions. One thing that is certain though, the decision had nothing to do with DNC.Quote
The fact is, most of us would like to support good decision-making.....but they sure make it hard, sometimes.
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Dave
t's perfectly fine to criticize the Park Service, but at least base it on something they've actually done, or not done. In this case the communications might be lacking, or just hasn't gotten to the people that question the action.
It's not hard to figure out. Many of the law enforcement rangers in the Park are seasonal. Knowing that fact leads one righ to the answer, or at least what I assume is the answer; lack of LE to partrol the road.
Like I said, the explanation might be out there but just hasn't been propagated to those asking questions. One thing that is certain though, the decision had nothing to do with DNC.
December 30, 2013 01:54PM | Moderator Registered: 15 years ago Posts: 2,321 |
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t's perfectly fine to criticize the Park Service, but at least base it on something they've actually done, or not done. In this case the communications might be lacking, or just hasn't gotten to the people that question the action.
It's not hard to figure out. Many of the law enforcement rangers in the Park are seasonal. Knowing that fact leads one righ to the answer, or at least what I assume is the answer; lack of LE to partrol the road.
Like I said, the explanation might be out there but just hasn't been propagated to those asking questions. One thing that is certain though, the decision had nothing to do with DNC.
Thanks for your reasoning. I see your point of view, though I must respectfully disagree with your last sentence. The decision to close DNC's Nordic operations I feel had a lot to do with the decision to close down Glacier Point Road to Badger Pass. Regardless of LE Rangers staffing requirements during Yosemite's winter operations, if they (the Park Service and DNC) had decided to keep DNC Nordic skiing operations open at Badger Pass, then the road, by necessity, would have been kept open.
It's only because NPS and DNC decided to shutdown DNC's Nordic activities at Badger Pass did it become an option to close Glacier Point Road completely. Were there other factors involved? Quite possibly, but the stopping of DNC's Nordic activities at Badger Pass had to play an essential role in the decision making process to close down the road.
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December 30, 2013 03:31PM | Registered: 15 years ago Posts: 4,173 |
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I may be missing something here but I think the reason the Nordic skiing was shut down is because there is no more snow on the road. There certainly is none at Badger Pass.
Re: Road Closed to Badger Pass January 01, 2014 11:49AM | Registered: 11 years ago Posts: 133 |
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Ken M
You wonder what happens to the people who have reservations at the Hut?
January 01, 2014 03:34PM | Moderator Registered: 14 years ago Posts: 1,634 |
That doesn't make sense. We are talking about facilities being closed, the road being closed. There are no employees working there. All you'd have are vandals.Quote
Ken M
"It's not hard to figure out. Many of the law enforcement rangers in the Park are seasonal. Knowing that fact leads one righ to the answer, or at least what I assume is the answer; lack of LE to partrol the road."
That doesn't quite make sense. Obviously, if the snow were there, there would be LE for the road, and that was budgeted, and the people already hired. In snow operations at any resort I've been to, it was a real mess in the driving/parking areas, and you'd see a lot of LE to keep that straightened out.
That would be so IF LE were the only personnel involved. It's easier to close the gate than patrol a road that leads to no open facilities.Quote
No, the personnel existed to have the road open.
They walk.Quote
You wonder what happens to the people who have reservations at the Hut?
January 01, 2014 08:46PM | Moderator Registered: 15 years ago Posts: 1,347 |
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Actually, the few times that I have spoken to rangers, etc., it always seemed like they were going out of their way to accommodate folks the best they can.
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I seriously think you need to go the park.
January 02, 2014 08:27AM | Moderator Registered: 14 years ago Posts: 1,634 |
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plawrence
Absolutely. The Yosemite rangers that interface with the public are generally wonderful and very dedicated, and they do go out of their way to help those who visit the park. I've never once had a problem with any of them during all the years I've visited Yosemite. Even the LE Rangers at Yosemite have been nice, professional and considerate while carrying out their LE responsibilities.
The problem is that you are making absurd assumptions about things you know nothing about. And you are always doing it in a way that makes management look like idiots. They've been running National Parks for almost 100 years now. They have it pretty much figured out. Why do you automatically assume they do not know what they are doing?Quote
On the other hand, some of the park's management decisions I do wonder about. And as Ken M. also wondered, the staffing for winter operations has already been budgeted with the expectations of snow and Badger Pass being open. So since there's no snow, did the park's managers decide to furlough some NPS employees due to the lack of snow and hence close off Glacier Point Road as a result?
Which means that employees, including LE, are sent home, not hired, laid off, etc.Quote
If not, there really isn't a large concentration of visitors anywhere in the park, including Yosemite Valley, in the winter except during holiday weekends (including the week of Presidents Day holiday) and when the Horsetail Fall becomes lit up in mid-February. But right now, it's pretty dead (visitor-wise) throughout Yosemite.
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Absolutely. The Yosemite rangers that interface with the public are generally wonderful and very dedicated, and they do go out of their way to help those who visit the park. I've never once had a problem with any of them during all the years I've visited Yosemite. Even the LE Rangers at Yosemite have been nice, professional and considerate while carrying out their LE responsibilities.
It's called "professionalism."
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On the other hand, some of the park's management decisions I do wonder about. And as Ken M. also wondered, the staffing for winter operations has already been budgeted with the expectations of snow and Badger Pass being open. So since there's no snow, did the park's managers decide to furlough some NPS employees due to the lack of snow and hence close off Glacier Point Road as a result?
The problem is that you are making absurd assumptions about things you know nothing about.
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And you are always doing it in a way that makes management look like idiots. They've been running National Parks for almost 100 years now. They have it pretty much figured out. Why do you automatically assume they do not know what they are doing?
January 02, 2014 12:49PM | Moderator Registered: 14 years ago Posts: 1,634 |
Your criticism are based on beliefs. You know nothing about what goes on inside park management yet you constantly criticize them. If you have a positive view of their management, it sure doesn't show.Quote
plawrence
....I know you think otherwise, but overall my opinion of the National Park Service, their management and employees and the work they do in preserving our parks for future generation is VERY positive. But that doesn't stop me from being critical of them when I see something that I think should have been handled differently....
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Your criticism are based on beliefs.
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You know nothing about what goes on inside park management yet you constantly criticize them.
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If you have a positive view of their management, it sure doesn't show.
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....Simply put, due to the three "risks" mentioned, it is probably just not worth it to keep the road open for minimal traffic.
Re: Road Closed to Badger Pass January 02, 2014 09:21PM | Registered: 13 years ago Posts: 1,976 |
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I believe that the choice to open or close the road to Badger Pass uses the same considerations:
1. GP road is icy & dangerous much of the time during winter (so that careful consideration must be employed as to how to manage the road)
2. Personal safety of the employees who must patrol these areas is higher than, say, other areas of the park
3. The cost of maintaining GP road during the winter is probably high
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