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Grand Cyn of Tuolumne route
May 18, 2009 03:17PM
I have a question I was hoping to get some help on. My friends and I would like to hike the Grand Cyn of the Tuolumne, dropping off one vehicle at Hetch Hetchy and hiking in from Tuolumne Meadows. The thing is that we only have 4 full days to complete the route. Does this sound reasonable? And does anybody know the accurate mileage (I see different mileage info listed on different places on the net) and have any suggestions as far as where to camp each of the 3 nights?

Any help would be greatly appreciated. I've been trying to do this route for a decade and would like to go for it in 2 weeks.
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May 18, 2009 03:41PM
Steve,
From what I think that you have done in the past I feel it's do-able for you..
It's approx. 45 miles.
This is what I would do if I had 4 days to do it in:
Day 1: Allllll the way beyond the Muir Gorge to the Cascade ... about 16 miles
Day 2: On to Table Lake ... approx 10 miles
Day 3: Up and over Rancheria Mountain... 8 miles
Day 4: Out ... 12 miles
Crossing Piute is the only big unknown. More than likely there are still trees across
the river that make it fairly simple to cross.

If you go to Table Lake please report back your experience. Certain people like to
bad-mouth this lake.
avatar Re: Grand Cyn of Tuolumne route
May 18, 2009 04:01PM
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bill-e-g
It's approx. 45 miles.

I did a double take when I saw that. But then, after reading the first post again, realized it wasn' t White Wolf to Tuolumne like I did.
avatar Re: Grand Cyn of Tuolumne route
May 18, 2009 04:11PM
Steve,
I've only done that route from HH to TM and it took five days.

Something to give a lot of thought to is that once you leave Pate Valley you are not in the GCT any longer. You don't pick the river up again until you get to the north edge of Hetch Hetchy after Tiltill Creek. If you come up and out at White Wolf you will have seen all of the GCT and can have a steak dinner at White Wolf. At least a beer there or ice cream or whatever The only downside to coming out a White Wolf is your missing Table Lake. Oh, wait a minute, that's not a loss at all.

It's very close to 42.5 miles from TM to HH.
It's 26 miles from TM to WW.

From TM to Pate Valley is 17.5 miles and Pate Valley to WW is about 9 miles.

Camp night one between Return Creek and Register Creek (I don't remember is there is a bridge at Register)
Night two at Pate Valley
Night three at Morrison Creek on the way to White Wolf


If you choose to go to HH you're on your own. I don't know your ability but I will tell you that TM to HH in four days is a push.

Bill-e-g will have something to say. He remembers better than I.

See! He did it.



Old Dude



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/18/2009 04:14PM by mrcondron.
avatar Re: Grand Cyn of Tuolumne route
May 18, 2009 04:18PM
White Wolf won't be open when they go. So no steak dinner.

The Table Lake Experience is better than any stinking steak dinner anyway.

smiling smiley

(and, yes, I'll be crying if they come back and scream bloody murder about glorious Loch Tablae)
avatar Re: Grand Cyn of Tuolumne route
May 18, 2009 04:27PM
I'm going to steer your boss to this forum! What's his email address?



Old Dude
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May 18, 2009 04:41PM
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mrcondron
I'm going to steer your boss to this forum! What's his email address?

He can just ask me personally. He doesn't need the forum.
I can relay any message you have for him.... huh.. what was that? ok.. yeah, I got it...
You want me to tell ask him "got goat?".

No problem.
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May 18, 2009 05:16PM
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mrcondron
I'm going to steer your boss to this forum! What's his email address?

The big bee? Oh, no!
Re: Grand Cyn of Tuolumne route
March 03, 2015 03:26PM
Reviving this old thread as I am looking for some advice from the experts about how to cover Table lakes over a 3-day backpacking trip. I am thinking of heading there in early July instead of Memorial day weekend to avoid the tricky stream crossings though bugs might be more prevalent in early July. For the sake of time, I am contemplating an in and out trip from White Wolf with the tentative plan of:

Day 1: WW to Pate Valley (~9miles)
Day 2: Pate Valley to Table Lakes (~6 miles)
Day 3: Table Lakes to WW (~15 miles)

I will check the topo map for elevation change/gain. Any tips/suggestions about the trip and the terrain based on your prior experience in the area?
Thanks a lot!
avatar Re: Grand Cyn of Tuolumne route
March 03, 2015 03:52PM
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nwhkr
Day 2: Pate Valley to Table Lakes (~6 miles)

Is that vertical?
avatar Re: Grand Cyn of Tuolumne route
March 03, 2015 05:03PM
There's a LOT of downhill from WW to Pate that you'll have to come back UP on Day 3.
Re: Grand Cyn of Tuolumne route
March 03, 2015 06:46PM
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qumqats
There's a LOT of downhill from WW to Pate that you'll have to come back UP on Day 3.

Thanks, that's a great point and I didn't realize that.

Just got an email from Mike that has the elevation profile. Looks like it's 11 miles one way from WW to Table lake with an elevation loss of approx 3500' and gaining it back up near the Table lake. As such, I am thinking of maybe going all the way to Table lake on day 1 and either staying their two nights or do the return trip over two days.

I was looking for more information online and looks like "Yosemite National Park : a complete hiker's guide" has some info and for a change google books was able to direct me to local library in SF where they have this guide.



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avatar Re: Grand Cyn of Tuolumne route
March 03, 2015 08:09PM
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nwhkr
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qumqats
There's a LOT of downhill from WW to Pate that you'll have to come back UP on Day 3.

Thanks, that's a great point and I didn't realize that.

Just got an email from Mike that has the elevation profile. Looks like it's 11 miles one way from WW to Table lake with an elevation loss of approx 3500' and gaining it back up near the Table lake. As such, I am thinking of maybe going all the way to Table lake on day 1 and either staying their two nights or do the return trip over two days.

I was looking for more information online and looks like "Yosemite National Park : a complete hiker's guide" has some info and for a change google books was able to direct me to local library in SF where they have this guide.

If you do this hike you will get a T-shirt from Chick-on that says:
"I hiked from White Wolf to Table Lake and back and now that I've done it I have no explanation for why I did it other than to get this T-shirt."



Old Dude
avatar Re: Grand Cyn of Tuolumne route
March 03, 2015 09:00PM
From my track it's 16.5 miles from WW to Loch Tablae.
In late Sept. of 2009 I went to Loch Table on day 1.
Took me from 9am to 5:30pm. On day 2 I dayhiked over to
Saddle Horse and back to Loch Tablae and then grabbed
my stuff and headed to Pate to find some Petros..
Pate to Loch Tablae is about 8 miles. I was just lounging
from 2pm on. Contemplated just hiking out... but decided
I had a 3rd day so just hiked out next day. Was back at
WW before noon.

Problem is... in July... it can be hotter than the dingle dong.
So you might have to factor that in. something like 3800 ft. climb to
Table Lake... and 4500 climb back out...

So... in conclusion... it could really be done in 2 days... since
the days are a lot longer than in Late Sept. ... but you might
want to simply alot 4 since the heat may take it out of you... and
you may want to go to Register to see some of the GCT.

Have fun



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Re: Grand Cyn of Tuolumne route
March 03, 2015 09:28PM
Re: Grand Cyn of Tuolumne route
March 03, 2015 11:36PM
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chick-on
From my track it's 16.5 miles from WW to Loch Tablae.

Problem is... in July... it can be hotter than the dingle dong.
So you might have to factor that in. something like 3800 ft. climb to
Table Lake... and 4500 climb back out...

Have fun

Thanks chick-on, looks like permits for early July are all gone. I will shoot for end of May to avoid the hot weather too as I am still adjusting to CA weather after 7 years in PNW. Appreciate all the information and I will plan for 3 full days. If the stream crossings are tricky for the group or something, we can just hangout around the Pate and Harden Lakesmiling smiley
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March 04, 2015 07:15AM
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nwhkr
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chick-on
From my track it's 16.5 miles from WW to Loch Tablae.

Problem is... in July... it can be hotter than the dingle dong.
So you might have to factor that in. something like 3800 ft. climb to
Table Lake... and 4500 climb back out...

Have fun

Thanks chick-on, looks like permits for early July are all gone. I will shoot for end of May to avoid the hot weather too as I am still adjusting to CA weather after 7 years in PNW. Appreciate all the information and I will plan for 3 full days. If the stream crossings are tricky for the group or something, we can just hangout around the Pate and Harden Lakesmiling smiley

If you get to Pate then you have done all the stream crossings of any significance (The Tuolumne has bridges over it).
Morrison was a non-issue last year in mid May ... though I crossed it higher... there wasn't much snow left beyond
there really that end of May would have been any issue either. Middle Tuolumne also has bridge at WW.
So, stream crossings should not be an issue. Mainly it'll be all the up and down. If not been, well, and even if been,
well worth it to hike the bit up to Register.
The infamous Loch Tablae ... should be gorgeous then. But please don't throw too much at me if your group
doesn't like. Enjoy the journey...
Have a couple of "plans" to go by there this year... So... will probably post something if/when do. Have fun



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Re: Grand Cyn of Tuolumne route
March 04, 2015 04:00PM
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chick-on
well worth it to hike the bit up to Register.

Thanks for the info about the stream crossings and I will definitely shoot for Table lake. Is Register on the way to Table Lake? Now I have the permits for May 23 - 25 and waiting to see if I can get a campsite at Crane Flats for Friday, May 22nd. Will keep everyone posted if I hear about the Crane Flats' opening date.
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March 04, 2015 10:07PM
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nwhkr
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chick-on
well worth it to hike the bit up to Register.

Thanks for the info about the stream crossings and I will definitely shoot for Table lake. Is Register on the way to Table Lake? Now I have the permits for May 23 - 25 and waiting to see if I can get a campsite at Crane Flats for Friday, May 22nd. Will keep everyone posted if I hear about the Crane Flats' opening date.

No, Register is up Z Tuolumne a bit. That time of year... you really should go upstream a bit... unless you have been there, done that...
It's the area where Rodgers Canyon Creek and Register Creek and the Tuolumne converge...
here:
http://www.mappingsupport.com/p/gmap4.php?ll=37.940305,-119.532924&z=14&t=t4
There is a nice campspot about 1 mile before there ...
These crossing are not bridged and could cause issue depending on the time of day and runoff...

Instead of Table Lake, you may want to consider going up to that spot on day 1 and camp... and then
go look to see how easily Register is to cross... if non-issue you may want to simply dayhike up to
where Cathedral Creek comes in and back... but if you got your heart set on Table Lake. Go for it.

Have fun



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Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 03/04/2015 10:10PM by chick-on.
Re: Grand Cyn of Tuolumne route
March 05, 2015 12:52PM
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chick-on
There is a nice campspot about 1 mile before there ...

Thanks for the tip, that totally makes sense. I am keeping the option open for exit via Glen Aulin (starting at WW). In that case, any recommendation for a second night camping spot? I did the Glen Aulin to Waterwheel Falls 2 years back as an overnighter and met Basilbop and JKW at California Falls.

Thanks a lot for all your tipssmiling smiley
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March 05, 2015 02:34PM
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nwhkr
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chick-on
There is a nice campspot about 1 mile before there ...

met Basilbop and JKW at California Falls.

Thanks a lot for all your tipssmiling smiley

hmm... I kinda figured you would find them sloshing around in Mattie Creek outlet.
If perchance you ever do see them in there.. and they have (c-o tm)Garbage-bag Gaiters
please let me know. I need to start making some money off them and am on the
lookout for tm infringement...

You didn't find a campspot you liked? Lemme guess.. you camped at Return Creek.

Maybe go upstream from there... a bit more...

Glen Aulin proper has lots of great spots too... typically dis bird like to go up high where there a view.

Dingley and Delaney crossings in May like that could be very interesting... but if things continue as such...
should be non-issue... you should ask ranger or here and somebody will prolly know more... or you can
just take Pothole Dome route out ... and avoid the crossings... how much other goodness along that
way is ... well... we will see how much more snow we get. Looking really bad at the moment.



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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/05/2015 03:12PM by chick-on.
avatar Re: Grand Cyn of Tuolumne route
March 05, 2015 02:39PM
Found your TR:
http://yosemitenews.info/forum/read.php?3,66183,66183#msg-66183

Nice

Have fun n I see you know about Dingley and such.



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Re: Grand Cyn of Tuolumne route
March 05, 2015 03:02PM
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chick-on
http://yosemitenews.info/forum/read.php?3,66183,66183#msg-66183

Thanks! That video was a great refresher. Last time we camped at Glen Aulin, little off from the main camping area. That site was awesome and it might be a long way from Register creek to cover in one day. Thanks, will check with Rangers and others about the stream crossings closer to the date.

Yeah I was impressed to see that they were minimalistssmiling smiley.
Re: Grand Cyn of Tuolumne route
March 06, 2015 09:49AM
If you do head upstream through Muir Gorge, the trail along the T should be passable without wading if the Gauge Height above Hetch Hetchy (http://waterdata.usgs.gov/ca/nwis/uv?11274790) is below ~13 feet. During higher flows, there may be some easy (ankle deep, level ground) wading in the vicinity of the creek coming down from Mattie Lake, about a mile or so downriver of Glen Aulin.
Re: Grand Cyn of Tuolumne route
March 10, 2015 09:59AM
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Dave_Ayers
If you do head upstream through Muir Gorge, the trail along the T should be passable without wading if the Gauge Height above Hetch Hetchy (http://waterdata.usgs.gov/ca/nwis/uv?11274790) is below ~13 feet. During higher flows, there may be some easy (ankle deep, level ground) wading in the vicinity of the creek coming down from Mattie Lake, about a mile or so downriver of Glen Aulin.

Thanks Dave, that's great info. Will keep this in mind and great point about correlating it with the gauge height at Hetch Hetchy.
Re: Grand Cyn of Tuolumne route
March 03, 2015 06:39PM
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nwhkr
Day 2: Pate Valley to Table Lakes (~6 miles)

Is that vertical?

I was eyeballing it, seems like the actual distance is less than 6 miles.
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March 03, 2015 09:08PM
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nwhkr
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nwhkr
Day 2: Pate Valley to Table Lakes (~6 miles)

Is that vertical?

I was eyeballing it, seems like the actual distance is less than 6 miles.

From my track it's more like 7. And it includes the most delicious 75 switchbacks
in the park imo.

Uh... ok I said it was 8 above... let's call it 7.5. It's def. not 6 tho.



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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/03/2015 09:09PM by chick-on.
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May 18, 2009 05:16PM
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bill-e-g
White Wolf won't be open when they go. So no steak dinner.

They could make their own!
Re: Grand Cyn of Tuolumne route
June 05, 2009 09:35PM
Thanks so much for the tips, everyone. I had to delay going for a few weeks but now am carefully analyzing everything that has been written here.
avatar Re: Grand Cyn of Tuolumne route
June 05, 2009 09:48PM
White Wolf could be open then. Think about that steak dinner. Plus coming up from Pate Valley offers great views of the GCT.



Old Dude



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 06/05/2009 09:49PM by mrcondron.
avatar Re: Grand Cyn of Tuolumne route
June 05, 2009 10:02PM
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mrcondron
White Wolf could be open then. Think about that steak dinner. Plus coming up from Pate Valley offers great views of the GCT.

No!!!!!

Table Lake.

It's a great route. I'd do it.

The yose website is reporting some flooding in GCT and some scrambling required and walking in trail under water.
I wouldn't even give pause to any of that. I'd worry about Piute. The other stuff is small potatoes and
may even be overblown by some. (We were told that Eagle Creek was up to the waist by someone recently)
(I quit listening to anything the person said after that after I questioned it)

Do it... Table Lake...
Re: Grand Cyn of Tuolumne route
June 07, 2009 10:31PM
What's with all the hype regarding Table Lake? It's either got to be one of the best places in Yosemite, or one of the worst places, based on everybody's comments. You're making me curious enough to make sure I go and find out for myself.
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June 07, 2009 10:59PM
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SteveHall
What's with all the hype regarding Table Lake? It's either got to be one of the best places in Yosemite, or one of the worst places, based on everybody's comments. You're making me curious enough to make sure I go and find out for myself.

The pictures sure make it look good. But it's hard to get to.
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June 08, 2009 06:40AM
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SteveHall
What's with all the hype regarding Table Lake? It's either got to be one of the best places in Yosemite, or one of the worst places, based on everybody's comments. You're making me curious enough to make sure I go and find out for myself.

Steve, truth be told... my guess is that there are two people out there that read this forum that
have been to Table Lake. One is me. The other is some "seasoned" old dude that due to
dotage seems to get things mixed up a bit.

When we went to Table Lake nearly 10 years ago. Came from Smedberg Lake all the way to Table Lake.
It was in August and it was hot. There was alot of whining going on that day by the misses and
said old dude. Due to the whining and the next day climb out and over Rancheria Mountain some sort
of twisted bond developed between the two to trash Table Lake. Yes, it was hot. And yet, it was
maybe a bit dusty in places.... but I still loved the place.... loved every minute of that trip in '99.
From getting hailed on at Tilden Lake, rained on in Kerrick, spending an hour retreiving some
unlucky fools bear bag hanging gone bad at Smedberg, catching booocko fish at Benson,
to Table Lake and beyond. It's ALL good.

So... for 8 years I had to hear the constant thrashing of Table Lake. In '07 we went back ...
going in from Hetch Hetchy in May. I told the old guy that he can no longer trash Table Lake
if it is nice. And.. it was beautiful... I have pictures of him with the thumbs up ...
And still he disobeys the 'bet' and thrashes Table Lake.

Personally I do not think you can say a place "sucks" if there were mosquitos there... so
if he comes back with that or that is 'why' the area is not 'great'... that doesn't cut it in
my book...

Anyway, please go... but... if you hate it... don't tell me... I love all of Yosemite.
smiling smiley
avatar Re: Grand Cyn of Tuolumne route
June 08, 2009 11:37AM
Steve,

You stepped into a 12-year old hissy fit.

Jim
avatar Re: Grand Cyn of Tuolumne route
July 15, 2009 07:40AM
Ok. I guess I just have to assume this trip did not occur.
Re: Grand Cyn of Tuolumne route
February 10, 2010 04:29PM
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bill-e-g
Ok. I guess I just have to assume this trip did not occur.

No, it did not due to circumstances and finding another driver. But I'm fully planning this for mid-June of this year, about 4 months from now. And I'm insisting on doing the entire route all the way to HH.
avatar Re: Grand Cyn of Tuolumne route
February 10, 2010 07:17PM
Steve,
Two things to consider that would require some flexibility in your plan.
1. Highway 120 may not be open by mid June.
2. Piute Creek may be a roaring torrent then. No footbridge but there may be logs as Bill-e-g mentions.

If 1. then no plan
If 2. then maybe go out via White Wolf, still a great hike.



Old Dude
avatar Re: Grand Cyn of Tuolumne route
February 10, 2010 07:25PM
There's still big ol logs across da reev-er.

Steve, in case you missed it... here is beautiful loch table... last year...

http://yosemitenews.info/forum/read.php?3,20415,20415#msg-20415



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Re: Grand Cyn of Tuolumne route
February 11, 2010 02:59PM
Hmm interesting. Maybe I should postpone until mid-July to make sure I can get across that creek. I'd hate to backpack in all that ways and find out I cannot complete the route as planned. What about swimming or wading across the creek?
avatar Re: Grand Cyn of Tuolumne route
February 11, 2010 03:12PM
I'd be VERY cautious around water and during any water crossing.

One of the top categories of fatalities in Yosemite is water related. The force of the water, and how the body is affected by the cold water, can be very deceiving.
avatar Re: Grand Cyn of Tuolumne route
February 11, 2010 04:41PM
They have a saying in Maine pertinant to boaters, sea kayakers, lobstermen, etc.

50 degree water---50 yards from shore---50/50 chance!

Granted, you are not 50 yards from shore in a Yosemite river crossing but this exemplifies the danger of cold water shock to the human body.
avatar Re: Grand Cyn of Tuolumne route
February 11, 2010 05:17PM
It's not a trivial crossing even in July. 2010 may have high water well into August but like bill-e-g says there are probably logs down across the creek that will allow "easy" crossing.



Old Dude



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avatar Re: Grand Cyn of Tuolumne route
February 11, 2010 05:31PM
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mrcondron
there are probably logs down across the creek that will allow "easy" crossing.

Do we need to discuss what he considers easy?
avatar Re: Grand Cyn of Tuolumne route
February 11, 2010 05:34PM
"Easy", adj. not positively sure to kill you.



Old Dude
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February 11, 2010 05:37PM
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mrcondron
"Easy", adj. not positively sure to kill you.

You mean not positively sure to kill him?
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February 11, 2010 06:02PM
Easy:




Old Dude
Re: Grand Cyn of Tuolumne route
February 11, 2010 06:52PM
Wow, that looks scary and fun at the same time. I have bad balance but I'm sure I could work my way across by sliding.

By the way, thanks for the link earlier to the picture of Table Lake.
avatar Re: Grand Cyn of Tuolumne route
February 11, 2010 08:22PM
Steve,
Dats Old Dude on a Stick.
(That's Tamarack Creek)

Here is Old Dude on a Tree:
(Piute Creek)



And here bee the logs last Sept:



(note that things can get dicey with the bark gone)



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