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avatar A Hetch Hetchy pipe dream
February 13, 2010 08:16PM
It might seem irrational in this drought-vulnerable state to even think of permanently draining a High Sierra reservoir that supplies superior-quality water for 2.4 million people in San Francisco and three suburban counties. But rationality does not always count for much in San Francisco politics. A movement is afoot for a ballot measure this year to put San Francisco on a path that could lead to the removal of its dam on the Tuolumne River in Yosemite National Park.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/02/13/INIE1BUUMI.DTL
avatar Re: A Hetch Hetchy pipe dream
February 14, 2010 12:10PM
From what I hear HH is not needed as water storage. The SF Water District has several reservoirs along the system that could easily handle the needed capacity. One note: the SFWD is the largest land owner in Alameda County.
avatar Re: A Hetch Hetchy pipe dream
February 14, 2010 01:18PM
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Dave
From what I hear HH is not needed as water storage. The SF Water District has several reservoirs along the system that could easily handle the needed capacity. One note: the SFWD is the largest land owner in Alameda County.

While I do understand that there is excess capacity (Lake Don Pedro has 5+ times the capacity of HH and has never been full) down the river, the city of San Francisco wouldn't have control and would be a secondary customer (without priority) if HH were dismantled. SF currently uses some storage in Lake Don Pedro, but the Modesto and Turlock Irrigation Districts have priority.

The other thing that Hetch Hetchy gives to San Francisco that storage in other reservoirs wouldn't is electricity generation.

SF loves HH because it gets them control and they can bypass a lot of the rivers via aqueducts and pipelines.
avatar Re: A Hetch Hetchy pipe dream
February 14, 2010 06:14PM
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y_p_w
While I do understand that there is excess capacity (Lake Don Pedro has 5+ times the capacity of HH and has never been full) down the river, the city of San Francisco wouldn't have control and would be a secondary customer (without priority) if HH were dismantled. SF currently uses some storage in Lake Don Pedro, but the Modesto and Turlock Irrigation Districts have priority.

The other thing that Hetch Hetchy gives to San Francisco that storage in other reservoirs wouldn't is electricity generation.

SF loves HH because it gets them control and they can bypass a lot of the rivers via aqueducts and pipelines.
That and the SFWD is it own little kingdom and the board treats it as such. I followed the dealings that the Bay Area Ridge Trail had with them. It was a huge political mess.
avatar Re: A Hetch Hetchy pipe dream
February 15, 2010 12:47PM
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y_p_w
the city of San Francisco wouldn't have control and would be a secondary customer (without priority) if HH were dismantled.

That would likely be address in the enabling legislation.
avatar Re: A Hetch Hetchy pipe dream
February 15, 2010 03:27PM
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y_p_w
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Dave
From what I hear HH is not needed as water storage. The SF Water District has several reservoirs along the system that could easily handle the needed capacity. One note: the SFWD is the largest land owner in Alameda County.

While I do understand that there is excess capacity (Lake Don Pedro has 5+ times the capacity of HH and has never been full) down the river, the city of San Francisco wouldn't have control and would be a secondary customer (without priority) if HH were dismantled. SF currently uses some storage in Lake Don Pedro, but the Modesto and Turlock Irrigation Districts have priority.

The other thing that Hetch Hetchy gives to San Francisco that storage in other reservoirs wouldn't is electricity generation.

SF loves HH because it gets them control and they can bypass a lot of the rivers via aqueducts and pipelines.

Can you summarize water law on this subject? It is usually a complicated subject.
I thought, upsteam and historical uses continuously exercised take priority, but I certainly do no have any special expertise in this area to know for sure.



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avatar Re: A Hetch Hetchy pipe dream
February 14, 2010 12:12PM
(Off Topic ALert!)

Dave,

The photo in your avitar looks like a pretty picture -- could you post a larger version of it?

B
avatar Re: A Hetch Hetchy pipe dream
February 14, 2010 12:15PM
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Bee
(Off Topic ALert!)

Dave,

The photo in your avitar looks like a pretty picture -- could you post a larger version of it?

B

You can get a copy of it. Just buy this year's Yosemite Pass.

But I will post a copy of it in a few days. I have out of town company right now.
avatar Re: A Hetch Hetchy pipe dream
February 14, 2010 03:31PM
Don't need no stinkin' Yearly Pass -- I am surrounded by Old Dude Passes! (Lifetime $10 pass)
avatar Re: A Hetch Hetchy pipe dream
February 14, 2010 06:12PM
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Bee
Don't need no stinkin' Yearly Pass -- I am surrounded by Old Dude Passes! (Lifetime $10 pass)
The point was that that picture is MY picture that was selected to be on this year's pass.
avatar Re: A Hetch Hetchy pipe dream
February 14, 2010 08:36PM
Dave,

I guess that since I have never bought a yearly pass, I do not know the procedure, thus, I am not sure what you are referring to when you say "MY picture selected for this year's pass". Are the passes custom designed individually?
b
avatar Re: A Hetch Hetchy pipe dream
February 14, 2010 09:28PM
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Bee
Dave,

I guess that since I have never bought a yearly pass, I do not know the procedure, thus, I am not sure what you are referring to when you say "MY picture selected for this year's pass". Are the passes custom designed individually?
b


I'm fairly certain that there is a yearly photo competition to select a picture which will be used on the following year's pass.
avatar Re: A Hetch Hetchy pipe dream
February 14, 2010 11:13PM
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Bee
Dave,

I guess that since I have never bought a yearly pass, I do not know the procedure, thus, I am not sure what you are referring to when you say "MY picture selected for this year's pass". Are the passes custom designed individually?
b
One picture is selected out of many submissions. The winning picture is used for the annual pass. I took that picture years ago when I was able to pack into Cathedral Lakes with my llamas for a 3 day trip. It was taken just past the outflow of the lake and one llama was getting impatient and pulling me to the right. I snapped the picture and then instantly the wind came up and erased the reflection.

I'm sure it's open to anyone, but the picture for the all parks pass is closed to NPS employees. If you have some pictures, send me a PM and I'll let you know who to submit them to.
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