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Radioactive Snowpack in Sierra Nevadas??
April 07, 2011 12:20PM

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Has there been any water samples taken from snow melt run-off or snow pack to see if any radiation levels have increased? With all the news of Idaho, Washington,California,Oregon and Canada showing higher radiation levels in tap water, I am curious about back-country water supplies. Wouldn't be much use using my Katadyn filter!!!

Re: Radioactive Snowpack in Sierra Nevadas??
April 08, 2011 06:39PM

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I little radiation is good for you. might kill some bugs

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April 08, 2011 08:16PM

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I little radiation is good for you. might kill some bugs

And if it doesn't, maybe it'll turn those bugs into "superbugs" ( kind of like what happens when one fails to complete a course of anitbiottics "just because" ).

Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/08/2011 08:17PM by ttilley.

Re: Radioactive Snowpack in Sierra Nevadas??
April 08, 2011 08:26PM

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And if it doesn't, maybe it'll turn those bugs into "superbugs" ( kind of like what happens when one fails to complete a course of anitbiottics "just because" ).

Giant:

Mosquito biting

Re: Radioactive Snowpack in Sierra Nevadas??
April 12, 2011 07:41AM

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I little radiation is good for you. might kill some bugs
And if it doesn't, maybe it'll turn those bugs into "superbugs" ( kind of like what happens when one fails to complete a course of anitbiottics "just because" ).

don't think there is a Godzilla syndrome

you know, all of us baby boomers (even here on the east coast) have small amounts of radiation from the 1950s Nevada test site above-ground testing. No need for concern this far away from Japan or Chernobyl, but of course close is a different story.

Re: Radioactive Snowpack in Sierra Nevadas??
April 11, 2011 07:22AM

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Sounds like the water being emitted from Fukushima into the ocaean is a helluva lot scary-er ...

Yesterday on the news they said the gov't there declared it would take 10 years to clean up the whole thing ...

sheesh ... there goes my Pacific Ocean seafood diet ... and my Gulf Coast fish diet was already at a complete halt ...

gee, haven't heard anything about snow samples being tested here [yet]

Re: Radioactive Snowpack in Sierra Nevadas??
April 11, 2011 08:15AM

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Just thinking, but if samples of rain water in east Tennessee are showing up more elevated in radiation, wonder if the SNOW holds more solid particles as it falls on the higher elevations. Freezes and holds the fall-out better. Then the run-off has not been diluted/filtered by nature as much at the river/stream drinking source. True that it may kill the {bugs}, but we might grow a third leg and no longer need the Katadyn water filter or trekking poles!! Rolling on floor laugh

Rolling on floor laugh

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Re: Radioactive Snowpack in Sierra Nevadas??
April 15, 2011 06:16PM

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wink

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Re: Radioactive Snowpack in Sierra Nevadas??
April 16, 2011 06:55PM

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There's a huge radioactive ball in the sky I worry about more. The reason I wear a Big Dorky Hat.

Re: Radioactive Snowpack in Sierra Nevadas??
April 18, 2011 12:05AM

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Seems like there is radioactive everywhere these days... I bet it just more people are measuring it.

Re: Radioactive Snowpack in Sierra Nevadas??
April 18, 2011 01:48PM

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I hope not; I drink from the streams all the time. A filter is not going to eliminate the radiation!

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Re: Radioactive Snowpack in Sierra Nevadas??
April 18, 2011 03:07PM

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Bring a geiger counter too

Re: Radioactive Snowpack in Sierra Nevadas??
April 30, 2011 05:07PM

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I'll just pack more water :-).

Re: Radioactive Snowpack in Sierra Nevadas??
April 30, 2011 05:14PM

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Bring a geiger counter too

A Geiger–Müller tube might not be sensitive enough for this use. A scintillation counter would be a better bet and would allow getting a gamma ray spectrum.

Re: Radioactive Snowpack in Sierra Nevadas??
May 09, 2011 08:53AM

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Well, if it is not that sensitive, makes me feel a bit better since the quantity is "not that much."

Re: Radioactive Snowpack in Sierra Nevadas??
April 18, 2011 07:27PM

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Chick-on was yellow before his recent Merced Lake trip.

Old Dude

Re: Radioactive Snowpack in Sierra Nevadas??
April 18, 2011 07:51PM

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Chick-on was yellow before his recent Merced Lake trip.

Re: Radioactive Snowpack in Sierra Nevadas??
April 19, 2011 02:57AM

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Here is some info for thought! I have been watching this web site for a different angle. This guy tries to explain it in English. What do you think now??

Re: Radioactive Snowpack in Sierra Nevadas??
April 20, 2011 08:44PM

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The video is confusing.

Re: Radioactive Snowpack in Sierra Nevadas??
April 26, 2011 06:18AM

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Alarming video ... at least as it's presented in such a graphic display ... not clear however, is while those swirling color clouds depicted in the wave-charts dazzle in such worrisome fashion, just how truly toxic are they ?? ... at a certain point below some arbitrarily agreed level, even the worst toxin is [supposedly] safe to be around .. we all have some mercury in our body ... we're told anyhow ...

(I thought Xenon was an inert element ...?) I was bad in H.S. and college chemistry .. so what do I know ...

Re: Radioactive Snowpack in Sierra Nevadas??
April 26, 2011 08:12AM

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(I thought Xenon was an inert element ...?) I was bad in H.S. and college chemistry .. so what do I know ...

The short answer is: chemically inert. (Although compounds of the inert gases have also been fabricated.)
Depending on the number of neutrons in the nucleus, you can have a number of radioactive isotopes.

Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/26/2011 08:16AM by szalkowski.

Re: Radioactive Snowpack in Sierra Nevadas??
April 26, 2011 06:48PM

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(I thought Xenon was an inert element ...?) I was bad in H.S. and college chemistry .. so what do I know ...

The short answer is: chemically inert. (Although compounds of the inert gases have also been fabricated.)
Depending on the number of neutrons in the nucleus, you can have a number of radioactive isotopes.

Are you trying to confuse us with actual science??

Old Dude

Re: Radioactive Snowpack in Sierra Nevadas??
April 19, 2011 08:07AM

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Here is a comment under the video. My thoughts pretty much. The video lost me at the "only by explosion" is the Xe133 isotope produced.

Throwing the BS Flag for your claim that Xe133 is ONLY produced in a nuclear explosion. Xe133 is a fission product regardless of whether it is created by a reactor or a nuclear weapon. In fact, reactor-produced Xe133 is used for inhalation in the diagnostic evaluation of pulmonary function and imaging, as well as assessment of cerebral blood flow. Your wild assertions without sound scientific basis is fuel for the tin-foil hat brigade at the IAEA facebook page. Be a diligent researcher Dutch.

Old Dude

Re: Radioactive Snowpack in Sierra Nevadas??
April 19, 2011 08:27AM

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I went right over to Wikipedia, of course.

And anyone that says there's more than 21 waterfalls in Yosemite is nuts.

But to be safe, I'm putting my tin-foil hat back on:
https://picasaweb.google.com/yosemite.chick.on/MercedGroveTwinBridges#5591761467820008754

(fell asleep after the first 3 minutes, after falling off chair about the wiki comment)

I'm not worried, I got my KI pills. Works wonders with Ibuprofin.

Chick-on is looking at you!

Re: Radioactive Snowpack in Sierra Nevadas??
April 19, 2011 08:37AM

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I went right over to Wikipedia, of course.

And anyone that says there's more than 21 waterfalls in Yosemite is nuts.

Do you count Fern Springs?

Re: Radioactive Snowpack in Sierra Nevadas??
April 19, 2011 08:54AM

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I went right over to Wikipedia, of course.

And anyone that says there's more than 21 waterfalls in Yosemite is nuts.

Do you count Fern Springs?

You didn't have to say that. I already knew you were nuts.

Woke up and said "What we're you thinking" or "that sure wasn't chicken"
wink

wink

Chick-on is looking at you!

Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 04/19/2011 09:03AM by chick-on.

Re: Radioactive Snowpack in Sierra Nevadas??
April 19, 2011 09:38AM

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I went right over to Wikipedia, of course.

And anyone that says there's more than 21 waterfalls in Yosemite is nuts.

Do you count Fern Springs?

You didn't have to say that. I already knew you were nuts.

Woke up and said "What we're you thinking" or "that sure wasn't chicken"

wink

Someone tried to give me the trail name "rabid chipmunk." didn't stick.

Re: Radioactive Snowpack in Sierra Nevadas??
April 19, 2011 09:44AM

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chick-on
And anyone that says there's more than 21 waterfalls in Yosemite is nuts.

A good start would be to eliminate all of the cascades that are mislabeled.
(Consider what the word waterfall means.)

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chick-on
But to be safe, I'm putting my tin-foil hat back on:
https://picasaweb.google.com/yosemite.chick.on/MercedGroveTwinBridges#5591761467820008754

The Marmots have suggested that Chick-on should wear the foil elsewhere for protection.
Marmot

Marmot

Added note re. the subject heading of this thread:
There is no such thing as the "Sierra Nevadas" or the "Sierras" for that matter.
"Sierra" translates as "mountain range."
"Nevada" is an adjective meaning "snowy."
One properly refers to the Sierra Nevada or the Sierra as the geographical entity.

Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/19/2011 09:45AM by szalkowski.

Re: Radioactive Snowpack in Sierra Nevadas??
April 23, 2011 04:26PM

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Where are all radioactive isotopes coming from? Is this natural in all snowpack?

Re: Radioactive Snowpack in Sierra Nevadas??
April 23, 2011 04:39PM

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The reactor accident in Japan as a result of the earthquake/tsunami.

Re: Radioactive Snowpack in Sierra Nevadas??
April 24, 2011 04:04PM

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You believe it traveled all the way to the states? I never thought about that.

Re: Radioactive Snowpack in Sierra Nevadas??
April 25, 2011 05:18PM

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GreatRafter
You believe it traveled all the way to the states? I never thought about that.

Anything that gets into the air eventually becomes global. It's normal.

Re: Radioactive Snowpack in Sierra Nevadas??
April 30, 2011 12:23PM

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Now that is a scary thought. Anti-radioactive suits here we go.

Re: Radioactive Snowpack in Sierra Nevadas??
April 25, 2011 12:53PM

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I thought about putting this in the "Quotes" thread in the "General Discussion" section but decided that it would be more appropriate here.

"As long as there is no meltdown of the fuel rods, you're in good shape."
--- Kirby Kemper, Florida State University; on the crisis at Japan's Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power station, The Wall Street Journal, March 13, 2011

[To be filed under: EXACTLY HOW SURE ARE YOU ABOUT THAT?]

Re: Radioactive Snowpack in Sierra Nevadas??
April 26, 2011 02:07AM

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I, being a Marine from the early 80's know for a fact that if it is really bad, you will not be told by our government and that also means the rest of the world sure won't fess up to anything either. It was always "First to go , Last to know"!! I am thinking we have a full blown MELTDOWN and it is dispersing radiation at no extra cost to the world.

Re: Radioactive Snowpack in Sierra Nevadas??
April 26, 2011 08:31PM

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I, being a Marine from the early 80's know for a fact that if it is really bad, you will not be told by our government and that also means the rest of the world sure won't fess up to anything either. It was always "First to go , Last to know"!! I am thinking we have a full blown MELTDOWN and it is dispersing radiation at no extra cost to the world.

There are lots of physics grad students that would let us know about radiation problems. So, what you "know for a fact" doesn't seem very factual to me.

Re: Radioactive Snowpack in Sierra Nevadas??
May 06, 2011 03:19PM

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I too prefer science, no offense.

Re: Radioactive Snowpack in Sierra Nevadas??
April 30, 2011 01:29AM

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Not a lot of confidence huh? I guess they are just trying to make us feel safer, but it is not really working.

Re: Radioactive Snowpack in Sierra Nevadas??
April 26, 2011 08:26PM

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I'm all for uncovering the "truth" when dangers are being hidden from us, but not when the uncovering is done via pseudoscience and sensationalism. I'm no expert on radiation, nuclear core damage, or global dispersion, but I feel like the reputable scientific journals that do cover such things would be making a bigger hullabaloo if there was such catastrophic, eminent danger.

Re: Radioactive Snowpack in Sierra Nevadas??
May 08, 2011 11:05PM

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Well, it will take many months before the journals would publish anything. It does take time for them to study it, since the nuclear diaster did just happen.

Re: Radioactive Snowpack in Sierra Nevadas??
May 09, 2011 12:16AM

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By that time, it might be too late ?

Re: Radioactive Snowpack in Sierra Nevadas??
May 09, 2011 02:18AM

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Here is our daily dose of Xenon-133 coming at us. Is it really out there or are we waiting for scientist to call and let us know. The US news has all but quit talking about it but the rest of the world is still very concerned. I guess "out of sight,out of mind" works with some! video: http://transport.nilu.no/browser/fpv_fuku?fpp=conccol_Xe-133_;region=NH

Re: Radioactive Snowpack in Sierra Nevadas??
May 09, 2011 03:20AM

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Here is more proof for the pudding!! Did ya catch this? Oh yea, we didn't get this on our news. We were debating pictures of Osama!! Government distraction!! video: http://www.infowars.com/media-ignores-fukushima-fire/

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May 09, 2011 08:50AM

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Here is more proof for the pudding!! Did ya catch this? Oh yea, we didn't get this on our news. We were debating pictures of Osama!! Government distraction!! video: http://www.infowars.com/media-ignores-fukushima-fire/

Here is another website in which you may be interested:
http://www.earthmountainview.com/
Fortunately, they seem to be trying to move out of the Great Central Valley to Arizona. Definitely California's gain.
(Note: I happened across these people several years ago while searching for some information about the Yellowstone supervolcano.)

Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/09/2011 09:11AM by szalkowski.

Re: Radioactive Snowpack in Sierra Nevadas??
May 09, 2011 07:05AM

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Please keep in perspective how many 10,000s of people died from the earthquake and tsunami,
versus the far, far, far smaller number from radioactivity, whether acute poisoning in nuclear workers, or delayed effects.

And also remember that aside from known and treatable radiation-induced thyroid cancer, most of those delayed risks are based on statistical assumptions, and that the risks in the Sierra snowpack are so infinitesimally small as to be laughable.

Re: Radioactive Snowpack in Sierra Nevadas??
May 09, 2011 07:18PM

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Amen.

Old Dude

Re: Radioactive Snowpack in Sierra Nevadas??
May 10, 2011 01:09PM

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Imagine how bad it would be if this happened to the bears!

Re: Radioactive Snowpack in Sierra Nevadas??
May 13, 2011 12:34PM

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video: http://theintelhub.com/2011/05/12/alert-emergency-levels-of-japan-nuclear-radiation-found-in-forecasts-censored-from-public/

Re: Radioactive Snowpack in Sierra Nevadas??
May 24, 2011 09:57AM

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Hello again!! Here is some more news of the day for those who don't get out much!! IT WAS TRUE ALL ALONG! Some are still not believing it and some just don't care. MOST JUST GET LIED TO DAILY AND DON'T EVEN KNOW BETTER. Have a GREAT day!! video: http://news.mobile.msn.com/en-us/article_wld.aspx?aid=43145372&afid=1

Re: Radioactive Snowpack in Sierra Nevadas??
May 24, 2011 07:33PM

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IT WAS TRUE ALL ALONG!

What was true all along?

Old Dude

Re: Radioactive Snowpack in Sierra Nevadas??
May 24, 2011 07:42PM

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IT WAS TRUE ALL ALONG!
What was true all along?

Dear Mike,
Please don't encourage him.
(HidingInOurFalloutSheltersly Yours)
The Marmots

Re: Radioactive Snowpack in Sierra Nevadas??
May 24, 2011 07:50PM

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IT WAS TRUE ALL ALONG!
What was true all along?

Dear Mike,
Please don't encourage him.
(HidingInOurFalloutSheltersly Yours)
The Marmots

My brother is a Senior Newcliear Engineer at Diablo Canyon and enjoys reading that stuff. Sort of his hell time here on earth.

Old Dude

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May 25, 2011 06:56AM

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IT WAS TRUE ALL ALONG!
What was true all along?

Dear Mike,
Please don't encourage him.

I hadn't looked at some of the links presented. Sorry.
My brother is indeed a nuclear engineer at DC though. He has no concerns.

Old Dude

Re: Radioactive Snowpack in Sierra Nevadas??
May 25, 2011 08:01AM

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This has me worried again.

And I need to return this geiger counter I bought off eBay and get a new one.
Stupid thing must be broke.... it just keeps clicking... even when I smack it around..
that usually works for the TV... not for this thing.

Got ripped off again I guess

Chick-on is looking at you!

Re: Radioactive Snowpack in Sierra Nevadas??
May 25, 2011 08:45AM

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This has me worried again.

And I need to return this geiger counter I bought off eBay and get a new one.
Stupid thing must be broke.... it just keeps clicking... even when I smack it around..
that usually works for the TV... not for this thing.

Got ripped off again I guess

Maybe the Geigers are having a family reunion nearby.

Re: Radioactive Snowpack in Sierra Nevadas??
May 27, 2011 07:38PM

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I just hope I don't get bitten too often by those now radioactive, glow-in-the-dark, Sierra mosquitos that have been hatched and raised in the snowmelt of all this radioactive snow that we now have here.

Re: Radioactive Snowpack in Sierra Nevadas??
May 25, 2011 01:58AM

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Senior Newcliear Engineer! That is funny! Rolling on floor laugh

Rolling on floor laugh

Re: Radioactive Snowpack in Sierra Nevadas??
May 31, 2011 02:06AM

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Good day to all! Well it seems this thread has now come full circle!! We now have our first real "SUPER-BUG" as TTILLEY first stated back at the start of this thread. And now you have it folks!! It's been fun while it lasted. !!

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