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It is not only large RVs that are an issue. Those with passenger cars often can be see stopping alongside roads where their vehicle sticks out into traffic. Three weeks ago, the day SR120 opened through Tioga Pass, numbers of cars were stopping at the South Fork of the Tuolumne River crossing to look at the cascade. There is a large pullout on the eastbound lane and it was busy. Some bozo with a family going west stopped just beyond the bridge where there is little space for a car with about 1/3 his vehicle width sticking out in the road. They got out with cameras, kids running around, like it was ok.
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I lived in the San Bernardino mountains for 2 years and whenver it would snow, the flat landers would come up in droves. Stopping in the highway, parking wherever they wanted, just making a mess of things. Some people really have no clue how to behave, and they think everyone else should accommodate them.
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I'm a bit confused. I thought people were in the National Parks to see things like Bears. Why wouldn't someone want to stop for a few moments if they see a Bear? On the one hand we can't complain when people drive like mad men and zip through the park but on the other hand stop and enjoy the views when there is something unique to see? I fully agree that you shouldn't use the road and a rest stop for recreation and described above but I can't possibly see how the bear scenario falls into the same category.
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I'm a bit confused. I thought people were in the National Parks to see things like Bears. Why wouldn't someone want to stop for a few moments if they see a Bear?
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Because it is extremely rude, and dangerous, to block the road.Quote
York
I'm a bit confused. I thought people were in the National Parks to see things like Bears. Why wouldn't someone want to stop for a few moments if they see a Bear?
Just because a person wants to look at a bear does not give them the right to force others to stop too. I have seen a bear jam take 5 minutes to get moving to make way for an ambulance on an emergency run - and the gawkers were upset they had to move! Another time a sow and her cubs were separated by a bear jam and one cub ran though the cars and was stuck, and killed.Quote
On the one hand we can't complain when people drive like mad men and zip through the park but on the other hand stop and enjoy the views when there is something unique to see? I fully agree that you shouldn't use the road as a rest stop for recreation as described above but I can't possibly see how the bear scenario falls into the same category.
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I'm not trying to be obstinate but I read the posts. Why treat the roads in Yosemite like normal roadways?
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Because they are.Quote
York
I'm not trying to be obstinate but I read the posts. Why treat the roads in Yosemite like normal roadways?
You thought wrong. The lower speed limits are BECAUSE everyone is looking and not paying attention to the road. The lower speed limits are for the animals safety, not yours. Last year 28 bears were reported hit and 7 confirmed killed. Many run off, injured, only to die later of those injuries.Quote
I thought the whole point of lower speed limits and general caution for wildlife etc. is so that people can enjoy the views and certainly stop or slow down when there is something unique to see.
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Yes you are blocking the road......
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Again, I want to make sure I am explaining myself correctly. I agree with the first post but follow-up posts expanded the scenario and overstepped the setting of common courtesy. Obviously, parking on the road to go and enjoy recreation is not intended. But I have confirmed with rangers that it is expected people may at times stop on the road to view unique sites including wildlife. National Parks from Great Smoky Mountains at Cades Cove, to Yellowstone to Yosemite all have this same expectation. The expectation is that drivers should expect delays because of wildlife sightings. They should drive with caution. Those stopping should attempt to pull off the road but that is not always fully possible. I've often seen where the traffic blockage causes one lane only and people have to take turns. In almost all cases, everyone is reasonable, accomodating and generally enjoying themselves and the experience even with the traffic delay. Scenarios like Buffalo parading down the middle of the road in Yellowstone are common and backs up hundreds of cars. But that is the whole point of being in the National Park. Slow down, stop if necessary and enjoy where you are at. I know many of you are generally National Park advocates so that is what causes my confusion on the dichotomy in what is considered "common sense".
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And my discussions with Rangers confirm they share my view.
So you claim. But we can't hear those discussions and, frankly, I doubt the rangers said what you think they said.
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And my discussions with Rangers confirm they share my view.
So you claim. But we can't hear those discussions and, frankly, I doubt the rangers said what you think they said.
Please don't take my word for it if you doubt this. First look at any of the general literature regarding the mission of the National Parks. Secondly review any information regarding driving in the Parks. Alternatively simply pose the question to a ranger--are you more concerned about the drivers who are in a hurry or drivers who are slowing down (and even stopping!) and enjoying the experience?
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I've been to Yellowstone. Even saw a bear there. It was a typical situation where people were slowing down to watch and a few drivers even parked and left their vehicles, which were blocking part of the roadway.
I was there. There was a park volunteer and law enforcement ranger directing traffic and warning people not to block the roadway. I saw the LE ranger with his ticket book. He was actually encouraging people to watch, but loudly warning that unattended vehicles that weren't in a parking space or completely off the road would be ticketed.
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And my discussions with Rangers confirm they share my view.
So you claim. But we can't hear those discussions and, frankly, I doubt the rangers said what you think they said.
Please don't take my word for it if you doubt this. First look at any of the general literature regarding the mission of the National Parks. Secondly review any information regarding driving in the Parks. Alternatively simply pose the question to a ranger--are you more concerned about the drivers who are in a hurry or drivers who are slowing down (and even stopping!) and enjoying the experience?
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I don't think we are in disagreement. The ranger in your situation at Yellowstone wasn't there to make sure the "normal" flow of traffic would go unimpeded. He was there to keep general order and assist drivers and passengers in experiencing one of the great benefits of the Park. In similar situations I have seen the Ranger stop traffic to allow parked vehicles to exit as part of his "directing traffic" process. Again the goal isn't to allow drivers to speed unimpeded through the park. The goal is for everyone to enjoy the park and take their time.
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My only guess is your strong reactions to this come from being so jaded with overcrowding and "tourists" at Yosemite. Unfortunately it also seems this irritation has created quite a bit of impatience. Impatience usually leads to speeding through or trying to zip around people who are trying to enjoy the park and the reason it is there. But many of you are lumping together behaviors that simply don't have anything to do with one another. It is unreasonable to think that there will never be stopping in roadways inside a National Park for things such as bear sightings, wildlife, etc.. It is ludricous, unreasonable and obnoxious to believe that you ALWAYS should have an unimpeded thoroughfare through National Park roads. The premise goes against everything the National Parks stand for. The Rangers will never enforce what some of you are suggesting. In fact, as noted above in the Yellowstone scenario, they will encourage and assist the drivers and passengers to enjoy the event. When they are operating vehicles they will also at times stop in the roadway to view the event or in the case of vehicles with passengers allow them to obtain pictures.
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But many of you are lumping together behaviors that simply don't have anything to do with one another. It is unreasonable to think that there will never be stopping in roadways inside a National Park for things such as bear sightings, wildlife, etc.. It is ludricous, unreasonable and obnoxious to believe that you ALWAYS should have an unimpeded thoroughfare through National Park roads. The premise goes against everything the National Parks stand for.
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It's been my experience that RV drivers, including those who are only renting RVs, are not any worse than drivers of other vehicles within a National Park. In fact, it's been my experience that RV drivers as a whole, including those who are just renting one, are far more likely to pull off into a pullout to let other drivers pass them in a safe manner than people driving other types of vehicles.
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I know visitors will want to stop dead on a dime right then and there, if they suddenly see Bigfoot humping a buffalo right off to the left ... but honestly, YNP has ample stop n' look pulls here and there ...
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All of this rancor for "common sense" and "considerate behavior" totally lacks common sense.
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All of this rancor for "common sense" and "considerate behavior" totally lacks common sense.
You seem to be the sole dissenting opinion. So which is the "common" sense here? Yours or all the others?
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The common experience is that people stop and slow down for something unique.
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[By the way, the Ranger I spoke with about the issue was at SEKI.
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All of this rancor for "common sense" and "considerate behavior" totally lacks common sense.
You seem to be the sole dissenting opinion. So which is the "common" sense here? Yours or all the others?
Only dissenting opinion? Really? The common experience is that people stop and slow down for something unique. Rangers stop. Shuttle Buses stop. Cars stop. And yes, even the hated RVs. By the way, the Ranger I spoke with about the issue was at SEKI. No this doesn't mean that the majority is always right and it also doesn't excuse other behavior referred to in this post including the original post. But mixing all these behaviors into one item and having the attitude that everyone better stay out of my way because I might be late for my hike most decidedly is not common sense.
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And that is what's wrong with our society these days; far too many people think ONLY of themselves. It's like they live in their own little world and those around them are an inconvenience. They actually believe they can park in the middle of a heavily traveled road, inconvenience dozens of other drivers, just to look at a bear. They have absolutely no consideration, or respect, for others. When asking for considerate behavior is viewed as lacking common sense then our whole society is in trouble.Quote
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See that is the type of "unique" event that "of course" visitors are going to stop for. All of this rancor for "common sense" and "considerate behavior" totally lacks common sense......
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... to label everyone stopping as discourteous, idiots, disrespectful, etc. just exemplifies the attitude that has manifested itself on this thread that "I am a hiker and I want you out of my way so I won't be late for my hike." It might be someone's first day...
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Let me just expand on my overly broad statement above about tourists;
There is a difference between "tourists" and "visitors" - Regardless of familiarity with a location; tourists are about themselves and their experience to the exclusion or detriment of all else. Visitors are informed about rules, proper behavior (driving, trails, feeding or stressing wildlife, impact), patient, respectful of the environment and the experience of others. Be a visitor. Don't be a tourist.
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I appreciate your post Jalan. I think you have mostly captured the points I have tried to make. Yes everyone should attempt to not block the roadways. But to suggest these are "normal" roadways that will never be blocked with wildlife or people seeing wildlife or other events is just pollyanish. And to label everyone stopping as discourteous, idiots, disrespectful, etc. just exemplifies the attitude that has manifested itself on this thread that "I am a hiker and I want you out of my way so I won't be late for my hike." It might be someone's first day at Yellowstone where they are still enraptured by the buffalo or it might be someones first bear sighting at Yosemite. In either case, I would expect, rangers would expect, and common sense would expect that those visitors may at times stop in the roadway temporarily delaying the poor hiker who is late for his hike.
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Yes, that's exactly what people that stop in the middle of the road believe. They are rude and inconsiderate.Quote
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And that is what's wrong with our society these days; far too many people think ONLY of themselves. It's like they live in their own little world and those around them are an inconvenience.
No one here has said any such thing.Quote
They actually believe they can speed through the middle of a National Park, with no regard to dozens of other visitors and wildlife, just so they can get to their trailhead and hike faster.
Enjoy the park all you want. I spend a considerable part of my day making sure visitors enjoy their stay in the park. Common sense tells us not to illegally stop in the middle of a busy highway to get out of the car and look at a bear for 20 minutes.Quote
They have absolutely no consideration, or respect, for others. When asking for considerate behavior and mutual enjoyment of National Parks is viewed as lacking common sense then our whole society is in trouble.
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I know.... some people just don't have enough common sense to not park in the middle of the road. Two years ago I came across an RV parked right in the middle of Tioga Road. I got out and asked if they were having problems and I could call a tow truck for them. They were making lunch! If he had driven 15 more feet there was a large pullout, in the shade, that they could make all the lunch they wanted. The driver was upset I asked him to move. I told him I would have a law enforcement ranger there in 5 minutes, and he moved as he swore at me in German.Quote
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Don't waste your time - This guy is suffering from Cluster B Personality Disorder - Maybe he can't resell his Half Dome permits since he keeps getting flagged on Craigslist so he has come here just to waste his time and ours stirring things up - All of us have much better things to do.
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He should try the same stunt on the autobahn.
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And that is what's wrong with our society these days; far too many people think ONLY of themselves. It's like they live in their own little world and those around them are an inconvenience. They actually believe they can speed through the middle of a National Park, with no regard to dozens of other visitors and wildlife, just so they can get to their trailhead and hike faster. They have absolutely no consideration, or respect, for others. When asking for considerate behavior and mutual enjoyment of National Parks is viewed as lacking common sense then our whole society is in trouble.
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Bears have been reported frequently in the West Valley during daylight hours. Many of these bears have been causing traffic jams, as they are highly visible in meadows along roadsides. Please drive cautiously and remain aware of other drivers, people along the road, and the bear during these bear jams. If you decide to stop, pull completely off the road before exiting your car. Never approach a bear, stay at least 50 yards away.
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Most recently, Tom and I were caravanning two cars back to our house when I looked over and spotted a bear. Tom had seen her too, and we pulled over in the nearest pull-out, grabbed our camera and binoculars and walked back up the street. It wasn’t long before a giant crowd formed. Some people just stopped in the road. Others, with more consideration tried, unsuccessfully, to pull mostly off the street before jumping out to take pictures.
Before long, a resigned-looking ranger appeared, trying to clear the traffic, keep half an eye on people creeping down into the meadow to take a closer look, and get the illegally parked cars off the road. I didn’t envy him his job at that moment.
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Don’t block the road. One of the biggest problems in Yosemite are “bear jams”, groups of people stopping their cars to look at a bear alongside the road, sometimes blocking the road. Bears are great beautiful in their natural environment and make for a great story to tell your friends and family when you get home. However, getting rear-ended or rear-ending another car whose owner stopped in the middle of the road doesn’t.
If you come across a bear jam, slow to make sure the bear isn’t near the roadway or may enter the roadway then proceed to a safe spot to pull over to view the bear. NEVER park in the middle of the road.
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Don't waste your time - This guy is suffering from Cluster B Personality Disorder - Maybe he can't resell his Half Dome permits since he keeps getting flagged on Craigslist so he has come here just to waste his time and ours stirring things up - All of us have much better things to do.
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Has anyone else noticed that if you stop your car on the side of a road and are standing outside your car other cars stop? On one of our Yellowstone trips we pulled off to get a snack out of the back of the car. As we were standing next to our car several cars stopped and asked what kind of animal we were looking at. They were really disappointed when we told them that we had stopped to get a snack and there was nothing to see. We have been tempted to stand next to the car, point and jump up and down and see how many people stop but don't want to cause an accident or traffic jam.
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Yup. It happens way too often. When I'm taking just snapshots or scouting a location, I really don't care. But when I want to take a nice photo with a tripod, I really don't want extra people around me, getting in the way of the photo or disturbing me and asking too many questions.
So what I tend to do is stay in my vehicle until no approaching car is visible, then quickly gather my camera bag and tripod and get off the road and out of sight before the next car drives by. At some locations, it's a lot easier to do this than others.
Fortunately, for dawn and sunrise shoots this isn't too much of a problem because the vast majority of tourists are still in bed or just having breakfast. But for late afternoon or sunset shoots, it can be at times a pain in the neck.
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Yup. It happens way too often. When I'm taking just snapshots or scouting a location, I really don't care. But when I want to take a nice photo with a tripod, I really don't want extra people around me, getting in the way of the photo or disturbing me and asking too many questions.
So what I tend to do is stay in my vehicle until no approaching car is visible, then quickly gather my camera bag and tripod and get off the road and out of sight before the next car drives by. At some locations, it's a lot easier to do this than others.
Fortunately, for dawn and sunrise shoots this isn't too much of a problem because the vast majority of tourists are still in bed or just having breakfast. But for late afternoon or sunset shoots, it can be at times a pain in the neck.
That wouldn't help with a 4x5 camera. It takes too much time to setup, compose, focused, use the spot meter to figure out the desired exposure and load the film holder into the camera.
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Has anyone else noticed that if you stop your car on the side of a road and are standing outside your car other cars stop?
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Which brings me to another question. Why is it when we are fly fishing in a river near a pull off people stop and they think that it is OK for their kids to throw rocks in the river right next to where we are fishing? When we give them dirty looks, they say 'Oh, are you fishing?" DUH, I am standing in a river with a fishing pole what do they think I am doing?
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I seem to spend a lot of time just washing flies when we go fishing. LOL
I understand the fascination of throwing rocks in rivers, I am a rock skipper myself. However, not only were they scaring the fish, several came a bit too close for comfort to us. There was an incident in Bryce Canyon a few years ago where a kid was throwing rocks off one of the over looks and hit a hiker on the head on the trail below and seriously injured him. There are signs everywhere saying not to throw things over because there are trails below.
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In another incident we stopped by Glacier Point in the middle of the week around noon. It was a real zoo up there. People were parked everywhere. When we finally got to the parking we found out why it was so crowded. Six large pick-ups with horse trailers were parked lengthwise in the upper lot taking up about 30-40 parking spots! No sign of the owners or horses. A ranger was there giving them tickets.
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