Here is a good article NPR reported on scalping campsites in Yosemite last year.
http://www.npr.org/2011/07/07/137496875/yosemite-cracks-down-on-campsite-scalpers
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jishaq
Regarding buying a scalped campsite ticket:
"And it was easy, and not ungodly expensive, and I didn't have to plan my vacation six months in advance"
I have to say, that's a very compelling argument. Especially the last bit. I don't condone the practice at all, but he makes a strong point.
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I guess I'm in the minority too, in that I could care less about scalping sites. As in the rest of life, something is worth what someone is willing to pay for it. And the example used, $170 a night, that really isn't too expensive and seems a fair price to stay in the grandeur that is Yosemite.
Anyways, since so many people seem to care about scalping sites so fervently, how about we have a section for scalping alone? Or if that was too much, how bout a backpacking/hiking section?
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I think your logic is a bit flawed. What is too much? Take that number and
use that number instead. Park charges 1/2 of that. Clown charges double
and screws the system. It's not right.
As for you other pts. I agree 110%. I've hinted at the later a few times...
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Too much is what is what someone isn't willing to pay. I have no problem letting the free market dictate the price of a campsite.
As for a seperate section, I really think its time. The first 5 threads this afternoon are about scalping, so its obviously important to some people. However, I could care less. I come here for trip reports and pictures of the backcountry. So, whoever runs this place should seriously consider a seperate section for backpacking or a seperate section for scalping. That way those of you who feel passionately about scalping won't have to read anything from me defending it.
One other quick point, having that thread about David Tran stickied is very good advertisement for his services. You guys are basically giving someone most people have never heard of an advertisement.
My argument for letting the park service sell the sites themselves in an auction type environment is simple, you'll never be able to stop scalping, why not let the park service get the money instead of an individual?
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I guess I'm in the minority too, in that I could care less about scalping sites. As in the rest of life, something is worth what someone is willing to pay for it. And the example used, $170 a night, that really isn't too expensive and seems a fair price to stay in the grandeur that is Yosemite.
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Blue Moon,
Perhaps there should be a seperate section then. Honestly, I find that people are so passionate about this puzzling and I disagree with the questionable ethics line. I see nothing ethically wrong with paying more than face value for something that someone wants. Something is worth whatever someone is willing to pay for it. If hotrod4x5 isn't willing to pay more for a campsite then its not worth it to him, but it may be worth it to someone else. This all reads as a great ad for tran's campsites.
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Blue Moon,
Perhaps there should be a seperate section then. Honestly, I find that people are so passionate about this puzzling and I disagree with the questionable ethics line. I see nothing ethically wrong with paying more than face value for something that someone wants. Something is worth whatever someone is willing to pay for it. If hotrod4x5 isn't willing to pay more for a campsite then its not worth it to him, but it may be worth it to someone else. This all reads as a great ad for tran's campsites.
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Blue Moon,
Perhaps there should be a seperate section then. Honestly, I find that people are so passionate about this puzzling and I disagree with the questionable ethics line. I see nothing ethically wrong with paying more than face value for something that someone wants. Something is worth whatever someone is willing to pay for it. If hotrod4x5 isn't willing to pay more for a campsite then its not worth it to him, but it may be worth it to someone else. This all reads as a great ad for tran's campsites.
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Blue Moon,
Perhaps there should be a seperate section then. Honestly, I find that people are so passionate about this puzzling and I disagree with the questionable ethics line. I see nothing ethically wrong with paying more than face value for something that someone wants. Something is worth whatever someone is willing to pay for it. If hotrod4x5 isn't willing to pay more for a campsite then its not worth it to him, but it may be worth it to someone else. This all reads as a great ad for tran's campsites.
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