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that is a lot of dates. He must be using some kind of robot program. I wonder if going back to phone only would solve this?
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chicagocwright
I'm familar with the article and have talked to rangers about the issue. But using a computer system to rapidly buy up campsites is a whole lot different than hacking a system to allow changes in reservations, names, and credit card information. I haven't heard any evidence that the latter is happening. And the system that requires the named reservation holder to check-in was supposed to alleviate the scalping issue.
I'm not trying to be naive but has anyone actually confirmed scalping THIS year as opposed to the issues from last year covered in the article posted? I have visions of some stupid (actually more bored than stupid) 8th grader with nothing else to do in the summer creating, deleting, and re-creating bogus Craigslist ads for the fun of it. Even the taunting emails suggest to me that this is all a game rather than anyone actually hacking systems. Has anyone heard of evidence where campers are showing up at Yosemite campsites with duplicated confirmatons?
And again, a much less complicated explanation is that the guy is simply making up reservations he never owned in the first place and selling those. That would be relatively easy to do. Get a real reservation, use the confirmation email to dummy up counterfeit confirmations, and presto, you have an unlimited amount of reservations you could sell. But if that is the scenario, then at least real campers are fairly getting the real reservations. And I thought that was the prevailing reason why folks here are so involved in trying to protect the National Park for the real campers.
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There is not a lot of "verification" that can be shared in this open forum.
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Blue Moon
There is not a lot of "verification" that can be shared in this open forum.
Tran is "acquiring" valid reservations and is changing the names to his "buyers" on Craigslist
There is an interdepartmental estimate that Tran has pocketed, over the past two reservation periods, $40,000 to $60.000.
Tax evasion is a consideration.
I talked a camper in a 40 foot Prevost motor home over Memorial Day Weekend in 2011.
He paid 150.00 per day for a 5 consecutive days in the same site, purchased on Craigslist from Tran.
He said he would have paid more to get the campsite, due to his impacted schedule.
Look through this forum topic.
It is begun anew each month because of the volume of posts by Tran.
This is not the work of an 8 year old.
It's the work of a motivated thief.
For those of you who understand, Flag On!
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The Rangers are now manning the campground kiosks the majority of the time (instead of Camp Host Volunteers) to carry out camper check-ins and identification.
As of May, when campers attempted to check in with scalped reservations LE was notified, who in turned "interviewed" the camper
and then the campers were allowed to utilize the reservation after paying an additional 20.00 per day.
It's kinda like regulated generator hours, the bottom line seems to duck and weave.
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How are they going to enforce it? Ruin an innocent person's vacation over $20?Quote
mbear
That's disappointing to hear the NPS isn't enforcing their own regulations. What a joke.
Do you have Tran's address? Call the IRS.
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Ruining someone's vacation is not something the park service wants to do so I don't believe that would be an option.... yet.Quote
mbear
Yes, they should. If the reservation isn't transferable then Tran's guilty of fraud, and when people start complaining to law enforcement about him stealing their money maybe something actually gets done. If you're not buying that campsite from recreation.gov then it isn't a legit purchase.
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]How are they going to enforce it? Ruin an innocent person's vacation over $20?
How is buying a non-transferable reservation from a scalper innocent?
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There might be something going on in the background that we do not know about.Quote
mbear
It makes me feel like finding and flagging these posts is a complete waste of time this year if the NPS isn't going to enforce their own regulation. Last year it was needed because transfer wasn't explicitly prohibited, but this year the NPS actually has the ability to make it stop. If they're going to continue looking the other way then Tran has won and there's no point in us playing a game we can't win.
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mbear
That's disappointing to hear the NPS isn't enforcing their own regulations. What a joke.
How are they going to enforce it? Ruin an innocent person's vacation over $20?
Do you have Tran's address? Call the IRS.
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They said they are making them pay $20 a night when they check it. So it sounds like they are cancelling the transferred reservation, and giving it to those people, as if it was first come first served.
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At the very least, the ranger should refuse to check-in the camper and let the camper scramble for some other first-come, first-serve campsite or one that's outside the park.
Hopefully, they would pass a law or regulation where those who illegally purchase a campsite get fined too.
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At the very least, the ranger should refuse to check-in the camper and let the camper scramble for some other first-come, first-serve campsite or one that's outside the park.
If they're trying to build a case, that's not a good way to get the buyers to cooperate.
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I would hope they are building a case against Tran and if he hasn't left the country yet, he probably soon will to escape prosecution. They need people who were ripped off to make statements. But in the grand scheme of things, I wonder if what he is doing is simply a misdemeanor?
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This is kind of a fun game on a boring gray day
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