This topic has made the news lately -- a group wants grizzlies back in the Sierra, among other places:
http://www.biologicaldiversity.org/news/press_releases/2014/grizzly-bear-06-18-2014.html
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This topic has made the news lately -- a group wants grizzlies back in the Sierra, among other places:
http://www.biologicaldiversity.org/news/press_releases/2014/grizzly-bear-06-18-2014.html
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Lewis Evans, the proprietor of the Kings Canyon Lodge, is certain the brawny bruins would quickly run out of roots, berries and deer calves, and start searching for tasty-looking tourists.
http://www.sfgate.com/default/article/Could-much-feared-grizzlies-hit-the-comeback-5587350.php
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... As the meanest apex predator, the grizzlies had absolutely no fear of people, or anything else...
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Personally I would not describe grizzlies as mean, meanest, savage and viscous.
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They are fulfilling the niche that nature gave them and are not "out to get us.".
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Personally I would not describe grizzlies as mean, meanest, savage and viscous.
So how would YOU describe them? Cute and cuddly? Strong and fierce? Lovable and adorable? Ugly and stinky?Quote
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They are fulfilling the niche that nature gave them and are not "out to get us.".
I agree 100%.
(But they can still be described accurately as savage and vicious because their behavior and actions fit the meaning of those words.)
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So how would YOU describe them? Cute and cuddly? Strong and fierce? Lovable and adorable? Ugly and stinky?
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"Capable of being very aggressive and overpowering in offensive or defensive positions; not naturally afraid of any potential threat. Quick to defend, challenge, or attack. At the top of the Food Chain."
Personally I would never want to see them re-introduced in California.
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"Nearness to Nature keeps the Spirit sensitive to impressions not commonly felt, and in touch with unseen powers." - Oyihesa; Santee Dakota indian, from his book, Soul of the Indian (1911)
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...They are fulfilling the niche that nature gave them and are not "out to get us"....
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Based on comments about the griz's nature and concerns for human interaction, maybe there are locations better suited to conduct this little experiment. The Middle East, for example . . .
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Based on comments about the griz's nature and concerns for human interaction, maybe there are locations better suited to conduct this little experiment. The Middle East, for example . . .
Anchorage, AK, population 300,000, already experiences this. We seem to have at least one brown bear mauling a year. The latest incident was a runner who happened to run by a brown bear and cubs and the mother took her as a threat. The runner survived the mauling without permanent disfigurement. This happened about a week after I was in the area with my son playing golf nearby. We had bear spray on the golf course with us. Other incidents have included repeated brown bear incursions into chicken coops (which themselves are controversial) or trash cans. It seems that most of the time these brown bears end up having to be killed because they become repeat offenders.
The latest Anchorage thrill is a black bear mother with two cubs that is frequenting several spots in the city. Many are getting worried quickly because the trio is making incursions into trash cans. So far, they have shown no other aggressive behavior even with lots of people out to take pictures. But if they continue the trash can behavior...it may only be a matter of time until they also have to be killed.
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I thought bear spray is not allowed in the parks?
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Wouldn't bear spray also be effective if one was attacked by a mountain lion?
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I thought bear spray is not allowed in the parks?
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The bell noise allows the bears to hear the hiker coming from a distance
And be ready for a nice dinner?
Kinda like this?
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LA Times: California: The next grizzly habitat? Some want to see it happen
By Julie Cart | Reporting from Three Rivers
August 2, 2014
http://www.latimes.com/local/la-me-adv-california-grizzly-20140803-story.html
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Noah Greenwald of the Center for Biological Diversity, which petitioned federal officials to reintroduce the grizzly, said his organization sees the southern Sierra as the best choice in California. His group envisions releasing 300 to 400 bears in the region, a tract of public land with overlapping parks and wilderness areas
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I was tying to decide what it would be like to hike in Grizzly country.
Is it always in the back of your mind that a phantom bear can jump out of the bush and ruin your life?
Is it stressful?
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I was tying to decide what it would be like to hike in Grizzly country.
Is it always in the back of your mind that a phantom bear can jump out of the bush and ruin your life?
Is it stressful?
I wonder if the hyper-awareness distracts from the 'relaxation' of being outdoors?
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I was tying to decide what it would be like to hike in Grizzly country.
Is it always in the back of your mind that a phantom bear can jump out of the bush and ruin your life?
Is it stressful?
I wonder if the hyper-awareness distracts from the 'relaxation' of being outdoors?
In trying to compare what in my urban lifestyle would be similar, and I came up with these examples:
Walking anwhere in Naples by yourself
Walking in the far end of Jaffa when the prayer rugs are being laid on the sidewalk
Walking home from school in Hell's Kitchen (before it became gentrified)
I can sort of relate to the 'side-by-side' with grizzlies, now.
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Interesting accounts of what life was like for the Indians in California when grizzlies were the top predator:
California Grizzly by Tracy Irwin Storer, Chapter 4, Grizzlies and Indians (pg 76 -95)
http://books.google.com/books?id=1QVZFQu01KcC&pg=PA195&lpg=PA195&dq=california+grizzly+storer&source=bl&ots=N6qjXszJq9&sig=PsuNjgPGdnBzbswDFKKLi4U4fzY&hl=en&sa=X&ei=oqQbVIqlBom3ogSBhIHABA&ved=0CFcQ6AEwCw#v=onepage&q=california%20grizzly%20storer&f=false
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