From Inspiration Point (E.N.E.) through Yosemite Valley - showing Bridal Veil Falls, El Capitan, Sentinel and Half Dome - California c1902.
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/collection/stereo/item/2002705613/
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Re: Stereo View from Inspiration Point
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January 30, 2011 04:30PM |
Found this at the Library of Congress:
From Inspiration Point (E.N.E.) through Yosemite Valley - showing Bridal Veil Falls, El Capitan, Sentinel and Half Dome - California c1902.
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/collection/stereo/item/2002705613/
From Inspiration Point (E.N.E.) through Yosemite Valley - showing Bridal Veil Falls, El Capitan, Sentinel and Half Dome - California c1902.
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/collection/stereo/item/2002705613/
January 31, 2011 10:41AM |
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February 02, 2011 07:32PM |
Is this from the Four Mile Trail?
February 02, 2011 09:57PM |
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Is this from the Four Mile Trail?
Yes sir
February 06, 2011 09:34AM |
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Both of the old sections and the Sentinel Dome trail above (and the Sierra Point trail) are on the old govnernment Yosemite Valley topo--the one with the brown-orange cover with the Matthes geologic information on the back.
Is this avail online somewhere? elsewhere?
I think there was also a trail out to Moran Pt. at some pt. in time. Seem to recall seeing that on an old map too.
The trails in the park are constantly being "upgraded" and re-aligned here and there over the years
for various reasons. (same is true for JMT/PCT)
February 06, 2011 02:28PM |
You are awesome. Thanks! Thanks! Thanks! That maps shows all kinds of goodness.
Both the new and old part by Union. The stuff up to Sentinel from 4 Mile (done some of that).
And the portion of trail to the waterworks (whatever has talked about this).
<edit> sorry, I repeated some of what you already said...
Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 02/06/2011 03:02PM by chick-on.
Both the new and old part by Union. The stuff up to Sentinel from 4 Mile (done some of that).
And the portion of trail to the waterworks (whatever has talked about this).
<edit> sorry, I repeated some of what you already said...
Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 02/06/2011 03:02PM by chick-on.
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Re: Stereo View from Inspiration Point February 06, 2011 06:44PM |
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wherever
This is truly a great map. In addition to all the stuff that you have mentioned, it shows the location of Snow's Hotel, which was due east of the Emerald Pool and at the base of Nevada Falls.
February 06, 2011 07:18PM |
It's the little square to the upper right of the 5 in 5305.
As bill-e-g mentioned above you can see the hotel
in one of the stereo-thing-a-dings:
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/resource/cph.3c36266/?co=stereo
As bill-e-g mentioned above you can see the hotel
in one of the stereo-thing-a-dings:
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/resource/cph.3c36266/?co=stereo
February 06, 2011 07:41PM |
February 06, 2011 08:38PM |
Ooops... the other right.
February 08, 2011 08:14AM |
Other interesting items include:
- Old alignment of El Cap trail near Ribbon Meadow (old trail has superior views IMO)
- Old trail heading S near Panorama Pt.
- Additional trail heading to spring source by Clouds
- Old trail by Ft. Monroe
Just a great map...
The old road from 140 to Foresta used to be on the map they gave at the entrance,
marked as a trail.
I'm scanning the one I have and will put it up... haven't found that one online yet...
- Old alignment of El Cap trail near Ribbon Meadow (old trail has superior views IMO)
- Old trail heading S near Panorama Pt.
- Additional trail heading to spring source by Clouds
- Old trail by Ft. Monroe
Just a great map...
The old road from 140 to Foresta used to be on the map they gave at the entrance,
marked as a trail.
I'm scanning the one I have and will put it up... haven't found that one online yet...
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Re: Stereo View from Inspiration Point February 08, 2011 01:41PM |
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Other interesting items include:
- Old trail by Ft. Monroe
Interesting...the map calls that the Pohono Trail but it's not the current alignment (the current alignment turns SE at about 119.69205 W longitude but this map, as nearly as I can tell, has the trail turning SE at 119.69547. Fort Monroe was the last horse changing station on the old Wawona Road before descending to the Valley so the Pohono trail must have followed the old road for a little ways beyond Inspiration Point at that point rather than continuing in a more-or-less straight line from where it hits IP after coming up from the Tunnel View parking lot the way it does today. For that matter, this map doesn't even show the Pohono Trail coming straight up from the parking lot...after it hits the old Wawona Road, it takes that up to IP. I don't recall reading about a post-70's realignment of the trail but this map certainly seems to suggest that one occurred sometime between 1970 and 1992 (the dates of the two maps I'm comparing right now).
I've really gotta get some software that makes it easy to overlay these maps on top of one another for this kind of comparison. (Anybody got any suggestions? Especially when you have the maps as PDF's?)
I really can't wait to get my butt out to California full time...I'm so jealous of you folks that can say "Let me take a run out there this weekend and get a closer look" (of course, I'm also VERY grateful that at least some of you post such detailed records of these "weekend runs!"
).--David
February 08, 2011 02:13PM |
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Re: Stereo View from Inspiration Point February 08, 2011 02:20PM |
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You can load PDFs in gimp. Just put both maps into their own layers and adjust the scales so they match.
Thanks, eeek...downloading it right now! It even fits with my current "policy" of using open-source software whenever possible.
--David
February 22, 2011 03:35AM |
February 22, 2011 08:31AM |
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Based on old maps, the Moran Point trail seems like it would have followed the new Four Mile Trail north of Union Point, then continued past the first switchback. I do remember a faint use trail continuing in this direction, but many switchbacks on popular trails have similar informal trails...
Nope. You can't get to Moran Point from that section of the Four Mile Trail unless you want to repel down a cliff.
The topo maps leads to this confusion, but Moran Point is only about 1000 feet above the Valley floor, and not really accessible from the Four Mile Trail. To reach Moran Point from the Valley one would need to hike up the gully/wash from behind the Sierras Club LeConte Memorial Lodge. Or one could take the old Ledge Trail from Glacier Point and break off from that trail to reach Moran Point.
The official GPS coordinates for Moran Point are: 37.7365925, -119.5815530 (http://goo.gl/1ecr8).
One can view the spot on Google Maps (where the green arrow is located): http://goo.gl/A1F8g
I dunno... I'm not buying it. I've never seen a map or anything showing it E of the gully S of LeConte Memorial.
Been on the ledge trail... and if they wanted to name a Pt there... IMO they would have named the JUST below
the turn on the Ledge Trail.
Here's a map that shows it w/ elevation:
and
and (but not really much help):
http://www.yosemite.ca.us/library/yosemite_valley_place_names/
Also seen a map with it right ON the Four Mile/Glacier Pt. trail.
Even the map they give out NOW shows Moran W of the Gully and v. close to 4 Mile Trail.
Other questions I have is:
Would the real LeConte Gully please stand up.
and
Wold the real Panorama Pt. please stand up.
My answers to those are:
- LeConte Gully is the gully N of Grizzly coming up from HI
- Panorama Pt. is just E of the trail right on the Pan. Cliff... not the "peak" 7007
(GNIS lists it as 7007 but... I dunno about that one either... doesn't make any sense...
I think it's one of those map makers boners)
February 22, 2011 10:58AM |
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Nope. You can't get to Moran Point from that section of the Four Mile Trail unless you want to repel down a cliff.
The topo maps leads to this confusion, but Moran Point is only about 1000 feet above the Valley floor, and not really accessible from the Four Mile Trail. To reach Moran Point from the Valley one would need to hike up the gully/wash from behind the Sierras Club LeConte Memorial Lodge. Or one could take the old Ledge Trail from Glacier Point and break off from that trail to reach Moran Point.
The official GPS coordinates for Moran Point are: 37.7365925, -119.5815530 (http://goo.gl/1ecr8).
One can view the spot on Google Maps (where the green arrow is located): http://goo.gl/A1F8g
I dunno... I'm not buying it. I've never seen a map or anything showing it E of the gully S of LeConte Memorial.
Been on the ledge trail... and if they wanted to name a Pt there... IMO they would have named the JUST below
the turn on the Ledge Trail.
Here's a map that shows it w/ elevation:
and
and (but not really much help):
http://www.yosemite.ca.us/library/yosemite_valley_place_names/
Also seen a map with it right ON the Four Mile/Glacier Pt. trail.
Even the map they give out NOW shows Moran W of the Gully and v. close to 4 Mile Trail.
Yet, the official GNIS entry states otherwise. This determination was made originally in 1932. So I don't understand the discrepancy it and the newest map. Note that the famous Moran Point photograph by George Fiske appears to be near the spot that I listed The Domes - From Moran Point (Yosemite Valley). I was able to somewhat confirm this view using Google Earth.
Also, why on the newest map of Yosemite that the Park Service hands out to visitors did the Park Service decided to remove Union Point from it?
February 22, 2011 11:15AM |
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Based on old maps, the Moran Point trail seems like it would have followed the new Four Mile Trail north of Union Point, then continued past the first switchback. I do remember a faint use trail continuing in this direction, but many switchbacks on popular trails have similar informal trails...
Nope. You can't get to Moran Point from that section of the Four Mile Trail unless you want to repel down a cliff.
The topo maps leads to this confusion, but Moran Point is only about 1000 feet above the Valley floor, and not really accessible from the Four Mile Trail. To reach Moran Point from the Valley one would need to hike up the gully/wash from behind the Sierras Club LeConte Memorial Lodge. Or one could take the old Ledge Trail from Glacier Point and break off from that trail to reach Moran Point.
The official GPS coordinates for Moran Point are: 37.7365925, -119.5815530 (http://goo.gl/1ecr8).
One can view the spot on Google Maps (where the green arrow is located): http://goo.gl/A1F8g
I dunno... I'm not buying it. I've never seen a map or anything showing it E of the gully S of LeConte Memorial.
Even the map they give out NOW shows Moran W of the Gully and v. close to 4 Mile Trail.
But even the newest maps the Park Service hands out (Rev. 2008) that omits Union Point, shows Moran Point a bit more southeast than the color map that you posted.
Here's the link to the newest Park Service map of Yosemite Valley: 2008 NPS Yosemite Valley Map
I think that the current park managers of Yosemite don't have a real clue where the actual Moran Point is.
February 22, 2011 11:58AM |
Note from this Carleton Watkins stereograph:
And this photo by George Fiske:
that one should be able to determine if they are at the classic Moran Point depicted in these two photos, since Moran Point points east with distinctive rock formations on the left and another ridge to its right and the ravine between the two ridges in the center that points directly into Tenaya Canyon.
And this photo by George Fiske:
that one should be able to determine if they are at the classic Moran Point depicted in these two photos, since Moran Point points east with distinctive rock formations on the left and another ridge to its right and the ravine between the two ridges in the center that points directly into Tenaya Canyon.
February 22, 2011 01:30PM |
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Here's a map that shows it w/ elevation:
That map appears to be the most informative of where the real Moran Point is. Playing with Google Earth some more, I think you are right (and the official GNIS location is wrong).
Here's an image that I got from Google Earth using these new GPS coordinate: 37.735155, -119.584188
At that location, you'll get a view of something like this:
February 22, 2011 02:42PM |
Good stuff. Thanks for looking more. Between "working" I was looking at my Ledge Trail photos
and other stuff and just saying "I don't think so...".
Here's the view from Union Pt. which is about the same elevation and looks eerily similar to the Moran Pt. photos:
Thanks again. I wanna go find the Pt. now (ok, not now... but someday soon).
and other stuff and just saying "I don't think so...".
Here's the view from Union Pt. which is about the same elevation and looks eerily similar to the Moran Pt. photos:
Thanks again. I wanna go find the Pt. now (ok, not now... but someday soon).
February 22, 2011 03:35PM |
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Here's the view from Union Pt. which is about the same elevation and looks eerily similar to the Moran Pt. photos:
Your photo looks eerily similar because Union Point lines up with Moran Point and Tenaya Canyon. So your camera is pointed in the same direction and your shot shows the same nearby ridge line on the left (albeit father away) as the classic Moran Point shots.
That black & white 1954 Yosemite Valley map you posted upthread shows the location of Moran Point the best, and shows that there was a short .2 mile spur trail to it.
February 22, 2011 03:52PM |
Here's a really good map that should put the question to rest:
http://gisserver.princeton.edu:81/navigatorMapViewer.htm?map=911
(and thanks to basilbop again for the links to lots of these maps!)
I need to email Princeton again and ask how to buy these babies... they're soooo good...
btw... if you look at that map it also has the correct location of Panorama Pt.
(NOT Peak 7006/7)
Have fun
http://gisserver.princeton.edu:81/navigatorMapViewer.htm?map=911
(and thanks to basilbop again for the links to lots of these maps!)
I need to email Princeton again and ask how to buy these babies... they're soooo good...
btw... if you look at that map it also has the correct location of Panorama Pt.
(NOT Peak 7006/7)
Have fun
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February 22, 2011 04:57PM |
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Looking at the Princeton map of Yosemite, it shows the old alignment of the Four Mail Trail after it descends past Union Point heading toward the Valley. On the Princeton map, the beginning (first-half) of the spur that leads to Moran Point appears to be now part of the modern Four Mile Trail alignment past Union Point.
Take a look at the 1970 map pointed to by basilbop again. (link is also below on this site - USGS Yosemite Valley)
It's a great map. Have fun
Within a few months I'll post the modern day pict. of Moran Pt. (unless someone beats me to it..)
February 03, 2011 02:54AM |
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February 03, 2011 07:10AM |
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What is E.N.E.?
Isn't it east northeast?
Yes sir
February 03, 2011 11:59AM |
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