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Re: Snow Creek

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avatar Snow Creek
May 12, 2017 10:19PM
Will crampons be necessary/a good idea for the snow creek trail to Watkins in June mid June? We want to do some off trail trekking, I'm well aware of the snowpack this year, just want to know an estimate of what to expect between 7000 and 8000' around then. Beyond the potentially formidable creek crossings, should snow also be something to prepare for?
avatar Re: Snow Creek
May 12, 2017 10:49PM
Some sort of traction device is in order, maybe even small snowshoes. Look at the snow pillow at Tenaya Lake (8k') to judge the amount of snow at Waskins 8.5K')


This plot shows water content and the snow depth is about twice that.

Old Dude
avatar Re: Snow Creek
May 13, 2017 07:17AM
Honestly... I would never bring Crampons to Watkins regardless of route
(ok, MAYBE if not staying near the the trail... but )

Probably people sick of me saying this...

But in 2011... Last BIG snow year... I went up Snow.. all the way past Tenaya Lake
to Cathedral Lakes ... and around ... yadda yadda... in Mid June...
I didn't bring any traction devices...

The temps get high enough that the snow is pretty nice to walk on by then...

My crap TR was here:

Pics link no worky ... here's fixed link:

If you are only going to Watkins and back down... then I'd bring my flippers and
that's it... I can comment more if you say more of what your plan is...
Also, if you are heading towards Tioga... towards Quarry... can you take a pic
of the BIG ROCK next to the trail... I'd like to see it...

Its' about here:


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avatar Re: Snow Creek
May 13, 2017 09:06AM
I'm thinking it can get gooshy in the afternoon.

Old Dude

Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/13/2017 09:06AM by mrcondron.
avatar Re: Snow Creek
May 13, 2017 11:34AM
We want to get a glimpse of Pywiak cascade from Mt Watkins, thinking it's guaranteed to have some impressive flow. After that the decision will be to either press up to Olmsted point, and then tenaya lake, or to circle around Indian ridge and follow along lehamite creek back down to the rim and descend back into the valley. I'd personally love to see what tenaya lake will look like at this time. I just don't want to be naive about what footwear might be needed, or how passable the creek crossing between the quarries and Olmsted might be.
avatar Re: Snow Creek
May 13, 2017 11:44AM
And yes, will post plenty of photos whichever we decide. The maps I've looked at don't have a name for the "big rock" you're referring to, that sits at 8700' directly between the summit of Watkins and the quarries. Does that have a name?
avatar Re: Snow Creek
May 13, 2017 03:28PM
And yes, will post plenty of photos whichever we decide. The maps I've looked at don't have a name for the "big rock" you're referring to, that sits at 8700' directly between the summit of Watkins and the quarries. Does that have a name?

Just Keep Rockin' ?

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avatar Re: Snow Creek
May 13, 2017 03:46PM
If you are talking this creek:

I wouldn't worry toooo much about that other than you will probably wonder why you
decided to go that-a-way.. when you could have just hiked the road probably...
considering that it is probably plowed by then but not open to regular car traffic...
if you get sytmied you can go up to the road and use it to cross that creek.
I did that one year... when I got sick of flopping around in the woods...
Also if you do want to stay on the trail... um... yeah, don't probably...
this here:
is crazy steep and I was literally hanging onto some Manzanita once...
saying "well, that was smart... "
obliviously go off the trail and either take the ski route up to Quarry
or go up and over saddly here:

you do know you can see pywiak from glacier point webcam?
Also, you can see from trail here:

from Watkins itself you have to go WAY out...
I'd recommend going out Wasoo ...
then you can peer down into Tenaya Canyon and also see the other waterfall in the canyon
go here:

and see this:
June 18, 2013

Feb 2012 (very low snow year)

anyway, yeah, I hear you about wanting to see Tenaya Lake..
getting across and then over and then coming down Forsyth Trail
(going up and over Clouds Rest will be interesting.. I wouldn't
recommend too much... ) ..
plus... just crossing Sunrise Creek was very interesting in April this year...

I'd really recommend going to Watkins and Wasoo and enjoy
and beyond that... I dunno.. Indian Ridge is safer and is just fabulous

Anyway, have fun and be safe

I probably wasn't too clear at the end there...

hmm... Ok, not too bad a look at Pywiak from Watkins...
Can see in my set from April of 2011

Ask more but I won't be back until May 21

Have fun

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avatar Re: Snow Creek
May 22, 2017 06:23AM
Sorry I wasn't trying to be mean or anything to Old Dood.

In simple terms. Crampons: No
Microspikes: Why not?

Looking from Glacier Point... I'd opt for the up Watkins then back down and around to Indian Ridge.
Most of North Rim will be clear by the time you go... and Porc pine Creek falls should be amazing.

As I think I stated... you can see Pywiack from Glacier point (from this friday)

You can see how little snow there actually is on your route up to Watkins... and where it starts on Indian Ridge...

Here you go...

Have fun

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